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To: bert
No, I didn't overlook the difference.  You merely assumed I had.

But lets be clear here, NO CHANGE was coming unless we sold out American citizens to move their jobs off-shore.  When we sold those U. S. citizens out, we sold ourselves out.

People making $15.00 an hour spend money, and they spend most of it around home employing other citizens.  We're now enmeshed in the Great Recession praying it won't get worse, and our citizens are now spending the spoils of $8 to $10 dollars per hour, if they're lucky enough to even have a job.  And while this may sound like we're just addressing this wage sector, it's not truly that easy.  We're also addressing the investment industry, because a whole sector of our economy that used to have enough expendable income to invest, now doesn't.  We have massive amounts of unemployed and under employed.  Make no mistake about it, the selling out of our fellow citizens, affected us all.  And even though we do still have manufacturing here, we have sent trillions of dollars worth of it overseas.  Our trade deficit with China was approaching the major portion of $1 trillion dollars per year prior to the down-turn.  Please don't try to tell me we have a robust manufacturing base here, when you yourself know that having $500 dollars in your pocket is not the same as having $1000 dollars there.

Okay great, we have $500 dollars still in our pocket.  Is the multiplier effect as effective as it would be if we were spending $1000 dollars here?  No.  So lets at least be honest with ourselves.

I have no quarrel with the Chinese people.  It saddens me to know that's what you think this all boils down to.  Good grief.  No, it's about a pariah government that is skimming off money to create unrest around the world, and build up it's military so it can hopefully (on their government's part) become as proficient as ours is.  Swell!  It's also about bankrupting our fellow citizens.

Frankly there's an aspect of this that angers me too.  It's the Chinese people and their hopes for a bright future...  Where's the hopes of our own citizens mentioned in your comments?  Oh that's right, they were missing.

At a time when no other nation on the planet was building up trade deficits with China, the United States was already in for $0.5 trillion of it per year.  That bastard piehole Senator Orin Hatch went so far as to offer to gift our entire patent database to China.  Imagine us gifting Nazi Germany our entire patent database in 1934.  That's the level of treachery we're addressing here.

As you have so eloquently stated, China will continue to grow.  I agree, and this time it was us who awoke a sleeping giant.

As for the Chinese government, and whether it changes or not, the Chinese people see things differently than we do.  They see the region as their own.  They want to claim every blade of grass that pops up out of the South Western portion of the Pacific, and that includes the areas rightfully claimed by other nations.  They also want to capture the island of Taiwan.  And lest you tell me how reasoned that is, you really need to do some study about the history of Taiwan.  China's claim to it is a relatively recent development in the overall scheme of things.

We are going to be confronted on the high seas by a belligerent China, and we will have financed every bit of it.  Many of our young men and women will die.  Our very homeland will be threatened by this.  And ultimately all this will take place, because some idiot thought it was a great idea to make it so we could buy a VCR at half the cost, and all it would cost us is selling out our neighbor's lively-hood.  Never-mind you have to replace the VCRs every two years when they quit working.

Our policy with China turned down-right suicidal and as China builds up, it's becoming more evident by the day.

It used to be the United States who was trying to sound the voice of reason around the planet, sending our military and citizens there.  Now China is taking on that roll.  Good luck with that.  Good luck with the clapping for China now that it's becoming a policing force on the high seas as far away as Somalia and the Western end of the Indian Ocean.  This is only the start of where we are headed.

We need a Winston Churchill today, not an Orin Hatch.
47 posted on 07/28/2012 6:06:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne

All of that is correct. None of them have a lick of sense of national security, and don’t see China’s government for the fanatics they are. Their foreign policy has been unchanging in regarding the USA as their number-one enemy, and their goal of bringing worldwide communism still stands; it’s been quite active in Africa and South America (the latter a clear violation of the Monroe Doctrine), and the only entity that has been a serious rival in those continents (ironically, and especially for those continents’ natural resources) has been the European Union.


50 posted on 07/28/2012 6:14:55 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: DoughtyOne

The implosion of Maoism released the pent up energy in China. America did not do that.

You’ll be pleased to know what I read this morning. That is, China is mot experiencing population growth but likely decline. The rigid one child law coupled with the female trend to delay child birth has the fertility rate far below that required for replacement. The economic growth trend may be dampened by the decline.

Lastly, I’ll concede some of what you say is true except it is not our doing. The modernization of China is a natural historical event. Once the severe bonds of communism were thrown off, it couldn’t be repressed. While not gone, the repressive failed collectivism is no more.

The challenge is to learn to deal with the reality......... China is.


82 posted on 07/29/2012 4:28:39 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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