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The AR-15 Is The Number One Selling Rifle In The U-S
wkrg.com ^ | 26 July, 2012 | Pat Peterson

Posted on 07/27/2012 3:49:46 AM PDT by marktwain

ELBERTA, Summerdale --

President Obama's decision to talk gun control and discuss a ban on assault weapons are hot topics along the Gulf Coast.

Despite the tragic, shooting massacre in Colorado, gun shops continue to sell AR-15's and AK-47's to gun enthusiasts and sportsmen.

The AR-15 is NOT widely used in crime.

According the FBI, of the 199 homicides recorded in Alabama in 2010, handguns were used in 112, hands, fists or feet were used in 17, knives were used in 23....none were committed with a rifle.

Gun control has and will be debated for decades...an issue now on presidential campaign agenda.


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President Obama is saying that because the most popular rifle in the United States is rarely used in crime, it should be banned.

This is a significant part of why "gun control" is toxic for politicians.

1 posted on 07/27/2012 3:49:51 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Oh, do they want so badly to rid us of our guns, and not for our own protection or thier humanity toward thier citizenry.


2 posted on 07/27/2012 4:00:17 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: marktwain

Collect them all!
Available calibers that work with the standard AR15 lower receiver:
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10mm
17 Mach IV
17 Mach2 or whatever it is called
17 Remington
19 Calhoun
20 Tactical
204 Ruger
221 Fireball
222 Remington
223 - 6.8 (various names)
223 Remington
223 WSSM
22LR
243 WSSM
25 WSSM
30 PPC
300 Whisper
300 WSSM
32 ACP (Tromix prototype)
338 Spectre
338 Whisper
357 AutoMag
357 Sig
40 S&W
40 Super
40 X (40-50AE)
410 ga
44 AutoMag
44 Mag
440 CorBon
45 ACP
450 Bushmaster
458 SOCOM
499 LW
5.45 x 39
50 Beowulf
500 Phantom
502 TS (rebated 50AE)
50AE
6 - 6.8
6 PPC
6 WOA
6.5 BR-R (rebated rim)
6.5 Grendel
6.5 MPC
6.5 x 33 (6.5 Whisper)
6.8 SPC
6-223 (6x45)
7 BR
7 Whisper
7.62x25
7.62x39
7.62x39 AI
7x40 (old 3 gun round)
9mm
9x23
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This list was stolen fair and square from here:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=370409


3 posted on 07/27/2012 4:03:41 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: marktwain

I doubt that 1 AR15 has been sold here.
A fully automatic military assault rifle?

Or something that looks like one without the auto feature?
Same thing with the AK


4 posted on 07/27/2012 4:11:05 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

From wikipedia:

“The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.[8] The name “AR-15” is a Colt registered trademark, which refers only to the semi-automatic rifle.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15


5 posted on 07/27/2012 4:17:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Repeal The 17th

After using a 6.8 SPC upper on my M4 I can tell you this, I now understand why they call this round the “200 yard sledgehammer”.

It hasn’t got a whole lotta’ ass after 300 yds, but up to that point, anything it hits is DRT. That’s dead right there for the uninitiated.

Let us all be grateful that the creep in Colo. did not have this upper on his AR.

Also, let us be grateful that he knew nothing of actual combat otherwise he would have ditched that stupid 100 round mag for a half a dozen 30 round clips. They would have given him more firepower and almost no danger of jamming. If one were to fire 100 rounds through an M4 without stopping, the barrel would most likely fail before you got to 100.

As a bonus, if he knew anything about close quarter combat, he would have known that a dozen or so loaded clips carried in a load bearing vest would have provided him much more protection from incoming rounds than that hoakie looking Halloween costume he had on. I think that he was more concerned about looking more like Batman than actually stopping any fire coming his way.

Besides, he knew that everyone in that theater was unarmed and helpless. Let us all thank God that he wasn’t all that smart.


6 posted on 07/27/2012 4:21:31 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: marktwain

The “AR” designates automatic rifle. Don’t believe everything you read on wiki.


7 posted on 07/27/2012 4:31:16 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: Rearden

Well, if he’d really known about combat, he would have known his rifle took magazines and not clips.


8 posted on 07/27/2012 4:32:47 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Rearden

AR designates “Automatic Rifle” as in “Self Loading” - just like the 1911 pistol was marked ‘Colt Automatic Pistol’ for forever, not that it was a Machine Pistol. :P


9 posted on 07/27/2012 4:34:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: marktwain

I love the things! The left loves diversity and the AR platform is one diverse machine.

LLS


10 posted on 07/27/2012 4:35:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Spktyr

and the difference would be??


11 posted on 07/27/2012 4:35:52 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: Spktyr

You are correct sir! Give the man a cigar


12 posted on 07/27/2012 4:37:03 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: marktwain

I hope lots are sold...the more the merrier.

not a fan of the poodle shooter myself.

more of a wood and steel man, then a plastic and aluminum guy.

but God bless you all.


13 posted on 07/27/2012 4:39:02 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

My Alexander Arms .50cal Beowulf is a lot of fun, but getting the proprietary .335gr ammo is slow, so I buy 5,000-rnds at a time! (Of course, my Barrett 82A1 BORS .50cal BMG, is also fun.)


14 posted on 07/27/2012 4:39:29 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Spktyr

AR stands for the company that invented it...Armalite.(..the govt. decided Armalite was not getting the contract...and gave it to Colt.)


15 posted on 07/27/2012 4:41:36 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Rearden
This is a clip:

An AR-type weapon will not feed off these at all.

This is a magazine:

It is what an AR-15 feeds off of.

If you attempt to put a clip in your AR-15, it will simply fall out. If you put a magazine in, it will not fall out.

16 posted on 07/27/2012 4:44:10 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Vaquero

Yes, but officially per Colt, who were the first to sell the “AR-15” commercially, it stands for Automatic Rifle. Some of them even say it on the side.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 4:45:20 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bill1952
Apart from a few rifles made by ArmaLite during ordnance testing and to equip some U.S. Army observers in South Vietnam *very* early in that war, all military versions of that rifle were designated as either an M16 or one of the recent successors. After Colt took over production in the early '60s, "AR-15" has been widely recognized as the name of the semi-auto civilian version.

That's quite different than the case of the AK-47, where there was no separately designated semi-auto-only version for decades.

18 posted on 07/27/2012 4:45:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Spktyr; Rearden

19 posted on 07/27/2012 4:46:53 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Rearden

“AR” stands for Armalite. Eugene Stoner was the designer.

See also “AR-5, AR-2, AR-1, AR-50, etc..” all bolt action rifles.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 4:48:34 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Charles Martel

There still isn’t a semi-auto ‘real’ AK-47. The Russians assigned them all different AK numbers. They themselves stopped making the original AK-47 with the AKM of 1959. Most “AKs” are actually AKMs or derivatives.


21 posted on 07/27/2012 4:49:12 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Rearden

I was planning to order a 6.8 upper in two weeks. Then the shooting happened and I ordered it on Monday. Over the weekend, lead time for uppers went from 60 -90 days to 120 days, but at least I got on the list. C’mon October.


22 posted on 07/27/2012 4:50:11 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: marktwain

I purchased another AK variant (Hungarian AMD-65) yesterday.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 4:50:40 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: wrench

some research on my part reveals that you are entirely correct. I don’t know why, after all of these years I have assumed AR meant automatic rifle.

I stand corrected.


24 posted on 07/27/2012 4:54:20 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: Spktyr
Yes, but officially per Colt, who were the first to sell the “AR-15” commercially, it stands for Automatic Rifle.

It's interesting that Colt retained a product name developed by ArmaLite; it was certainly early enough in the game for them to call it whatever they wanted and "reinvent" the rifle if they desired. I guess the suits at Colt liked the original name and thought it would sell (and they were correct).

25 posted on 07/27/2012 4:54:52 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

I always figured that they thought it would be nice to go along with the “Colt Automatic Pistol” and the “Colt Automatic Shotgun.” None of which were actually designed by Colt.

Technically, both “Automatic Rifle” and “ARmalite” are correct answers. “Assault Rifle” is not. :P


26 posted on 07/27/2012 4:58:23 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: marktwain

Anybody see the show ‘Sons of Guns’ where they built a pnuematic pump (or something like that) on the AR-15 platform? It looked sweet I wonder if it ever made it production?


29 posted on 07/27/2012 5:04:38 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Spktyr
Right, which is why is mentioned "separately designated". The "AK-47S", "AK-S" and the subsequent designations used were mostly done to make BATF happy.

I'd say that the milled-receiver Chinese rifles like the Polytech Legend come pretty close to being semi-auto versions of the "original AK-47", but it's certainly true that most semi-auto AKs are based on the stamped-receiver AKM.

30 posted on 07/27/2012 5:04:38 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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Wow, I was going to step in and comment on the perp’s collection, and how it was a representation of the collection that every enthusiast would have with the proper funds would have...

and I stumbled into a “clip vs mag” and “what does AR stand for” pissing match.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 5:07:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
and I stumbled into a “clip vs mag” and “what does AR stand for” pissing match.

The funny part is that you seem surprised. ;-)

32 posted on 07/27/2012 5:09:08 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Rearden
Sorry, my father's a two-tour Nam Marine and he'd pretty much just kick my ass if I made that mistake. So I don't. :P Besides, if you're talking about stupid mistakes and then you make one... -evil grin-

Some of us younger guys, however, don't play with mouse guns.

That's not an AR.

33 posted on 07/27/2012 5:12:14 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Oh, yeah, also? Direct impingement suuuuucks. Even Stoner regretted that idea later on.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 5:13:44 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MrB

An AR-15, a Remington 870 and two Glock .40S&W pistols don’t exactly strike me as a collection every enthusiast would have. Seems kinda... sparse. And not terribly expensive - he spent less than $4K on all of it, assuming he paid retail.


35 posted on 07/27/2012 5:15:42 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Charles Martel; MrB

OK, LOL on that one. And you are spot on.


36 posted on 07/27/2012 5:18:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Rearden

relax....you’ll hurt yourself.


37 posted on 07/27/2012 5:25:06 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Spktyr

had a chance to buy a nice FN FAL, cheap, from a club member and let it pass....

still kickin’ myself.


38 posted on 07/27/2012 5:28:08 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

I qualified with AR15 in 1964. Now this was the Air Force but it was a full auto and not known as the M16.


39 posted on 07/27/2012 5:31:16 AM PDT by SAWTEX
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To: Spktyr

In my platoon, during my time there, we were much more concerned about keeping each other alive than we were over stupid semantics.

Thank your father for his service and Semper Fidelis. I’m glad I didn’t serve with him, kicking your kids ass for something he had not heard since boot camp is not the kind of man I want on my team. No disrespect to him, I don’t think we would get along.


40 posted on 07/27/2012 5:32:43 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: Vaquero

Take your tag line to heart old man


41 posted on 07/27/2012 5:34:25 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: Vaquero

Yeah, the days of the cheap surplus kits are pretty much over now - the supply is trickling down to naught. Get a good one soon or forget about it for less than the price of an M1A from Springfield.


42 posted on 07/27/2012 5:35:04 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I thought it was a Glock 9mm & Glock .40, but, regardless.

It seems the guy did the research on the _first_ firearms anyone should buy, and those are the makes/models/calibers you’d see recommended for such a person.


43 posted on 07/27/2012 5:36:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Vaquero

44 posted on 07/27/2012 5:43:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Rearden

believe me....I do.

no quarter.


45 posted on 07/27/2012 5:44:11 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Travis McGee

I love this picture...saw it the other day here at FR.

do you know where it took place and what the situation was?


46 posted on 07/27/2012 5:45:48 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Travis McGee

That girl probably refused to work overtime in the Apple I phone factory.


47 posted on 07/27/2012 5:45:48 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Travis McGee

gotta love the safety procedures for this army/police...

duck down a little more, Wang, I dont want to clip ya.


48 posted on 07/27/2012 5:48:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MrB

Yeah, but then he went and blew it by buying a jam-o-matic drum with a bad rep. Well, that and such a minor thing as hosing down an occupied theatre, attempting to blow up an apartment building, etc., etc.

I’d also point out how glad I am that he didn’t decide to go get a 7.62 NATO battle rifle or there would have been a lot more dead people in that theatre. At that range, 7.62 could have penetrated several people before losing significant energy.

Here’s a good ‘field’ comparison of the energy differences between the 5.56, 6.8 and 7.62.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKy3930MO2k


49 posted on 07/27/2012 5:48:36 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Vaquero

You sound like a guy I’d like to have a beer with sometime. Just don’t gimme’ any crap about clips, hahaha.


50 posted on 07/27/2012 5:51:41 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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