Cyber bill has gun control amendment [Video at link]

The Hill ^ | July 26, 2012 | Ramsey Cox

[jazusamo]

Democratic senators included an amendment in the cybersecurity bill that would limit the purchase of high capacity gun magazines for some consumers.

Shortly after the Cybersecurity Act gained Senate approval to proceed to amendments and a vote next week, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a sponsor of the gun control amendment, came to the floor to defend the idea of implementing some “reasonable” gun control measures.

The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.). S.A. 2575 would make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices such as gun magazines, belts, feed stripes and drums of more than 10 rounds of ammunition with the exception of .22 caliber rim fire ammunition.

The amendment would only affect sales and transfers after the law took effect.

Schumer defended the Brady law and assault weapons ban on the floor Thursday evening, perhaps in preparation for the coming fight for Republicans and gun rights activists.

Schumer suggested that both the left and right find common ground.

“Maybe we could come together on guns if each side gave some,” Schumer said.

He suggested that Democrats make it clear that their goal is not to repeal the Second Amendment.

“The basic complaint is that the Chuck Schumers of the world want to take away your guns,” Schumer said of the argument made by gun lobbies. “I think it would be smart for those of us who want rational gun control to make it know that that’s not true at all.”

Schumer also pointed out that it would be reasonable for the right to recognize that background checks on those buying guns is necessary — as called for in the Brady law. He also said average Americans don’t need an assault weapon to go hunting or protect themselves.

“We can debate where to draw the line of reasonableness, but we might be able to come to an agreement in the middle,” Schumer said. “Maybe, maybe, maybe we can pass some laws that might, might, might stop some of the unnecessary casualties … maybe there’s a way we can some together and try to break through the log jam and make sure the country is a better place.”

Next week the Senate is expected to debate and vote on amendments to the Cybersecurity bill.

[jazusamo]

Chuckie lies as usual, this is an amendment to the Cybersecurity bill instead of a free standing bill. Let him and his gun grabbers come up with a bill and see if it passes on its own.

[Red Steel]

Yawn Chuckie. DOA in the House, but keep on pushing for it though since you’ll end up assuring losing more ground in November if not more seats.

[JPG]

If the word Schumer is used then ‘rational’ or ‘reasonable’ do not belong in the same sentence.

[Principled]

Next week the Senate is expected to debate and vote on amendments to the Cybersecurity bill.

How about a budget?

[a fool in paradise]

Chuck the Schmuck sponsors. Big surprise.

This is the same a$$hole who acknowledged he didn’t care that government officials lied to Congress about what sort of weapons were used in the final stand against those in the Davidian compound.

Chuck is the worst sort of Big Government thug.

[philman_36]

He suggested that Democrats make it clear that their goal is not to repeal the Second Amendment.
Then Republicans better damn well make it clear that this would still be an infringement of Constitutionally protected Second Amendment rights which are not supposed to be infringed upon!

[Dead Corpse]

We’ve given all we are going to give.

Not one step further...

[jazusamo]

BTTT

[jazusamo]

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[Vendome]

Won’t survive Congress.

[jz638]

The bizarre irony of this kneejerk reaction to the Aurora shooting is that his high capacity ammo drum jamming was one reason that more people didn’t die. If he would have used multiple conventional mags, he probably would have killed more people.

[JamesA]

Molon Labe Chuckie!

[umgud]

I’m guessing there may be enough weak knee’d pubies in the senate to pass a 10 round mag cap bill. I don’t know if these amendments have to then go to the house, where it would surely get killed.

[BigpapaBo]

I bet CTG and The Sportsmans Guide are selling out of AR and AK type mags now that this is out. Scare them, then sell them....

[Red Steel]

I don’t know if these amendments have to then go to the house, where it would surely get killed.

Yes, and DOA in the House.

[Bobalu]

We are very, very close to the age where you can use a 3D printer to print up an actual firearm. It is possible to print very strong objects now, like wrenches. Think of a 3D printer building up an object layer by layer using an epoxy as strong as JB-Weld. What will gun grabers do then? Outlaw digital descriptions of guns?

I saw an article just today over on HackADay.com about a guy printing a new lower receiver for his AR-15. He used equipment that is far from the current state of the art. In a few years we will be able to print incredible things.

Link to HackADay post

[jazusamo]

Yep, the House will kill the amendment for sure, at least I'm pretty sure. If they don't they'll be some RINOs voted out soon.

[Still Thinking]

“Maybe we could come together on guns if each side gave some,” Schumer said.

Uh, Senator Schemer, sir? When Democrats say they're willing to compromise, it means the good guys (conservatives) give up something they already have, while the leftards "give up" gaining as much collectivist tyranny as they were shooting for, but the change relative to statist quo is always in only one direction. This does NOT meet a sane person's definition of "compromise" (I understand why you wouldn't have known that, don't feel bad)

So, um......no. When "compromise" means you we get to repeal 3 existing collectivist infringements on our freedom, and we call it a "compromise" cause we really wanted to repeal 5, we can talk.

[jazusamo]

These kinda things just blow my mind. I'm getting up in years and didn't get my first computer until about 8 years ago. My adult kids and even grand kids amaze me on their knowledge of puters and how to use them.

[philman_36]

What snakes!

@ CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE Page 5402, right column

SA 2575. Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. REED, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SCHUMER, and Mrs. FEINSTEIN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 3414, to enhance the security and resiliency of the cyber and communications infrastructure of the United States; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following
SEC. ll. PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) DEFINITION.—Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:
‘‘(30) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—
‘‘(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but
‘‘(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.’’.
(b) PROHIBITIONS.—Section 922 of such title is amended by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
‘‘(v)(1)(A)(i) Except as provided in clause
(ii), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

It continues on Page 5403.

How does imposing this "prohibition" in any way "enhance the security and resiliency of the cyber and communications infrastructure of the United States"?

[SueRae]

How typical. Add a last minute-kneejerk tag onto an existing bill to score some brownie points. We really are in sad shape with the current crop of Senators..is this the best they can do? God, where do these people come from?

[Repeal 16-17]

To Schmuckie Chuckie, repealing the Second Amendment would be a reasonable gun control measure.

This should be DOA in the House, but I hope the Democrats make gun control a major campaign issue. Hopefully, they'll make repealing the Second Amendment a plank in their platform.

[jazusamo]

Snakes is a good term for the bunch of them. This amendment has nothing to do with Cyber security but they’ve learned to sneak things by with their slimy paws.

[kingu]

The bizarre irony of this kneejerk reaction to the Aurora shooting is that his high capacity ammo drum jamming was one reason that more people didn’t die. If he would have used multiple conventional mags, he probably would have killed more people.

Or more correctly, had sexy rifles, err, I mean, 'assault weapons' been banned, he probably would have just used a bomb and killed five times as many people. Gosh, we should have laws against bombs...

[familyop]

"'Maybe we could come together on guns if each side gave some,' Schumer said...'We can debate where to draw the line of reasonableness, but we might be able to come to an agreement in the middle,' Schumer said."

Incrementalism, also known as gradualism. Schumer and his associates are aiming at a compromise with more incrementalism toward more complete bans in the future.

[hoosierham]

I think there are more players ,or maybe puppetmasters, behind the Aurora atrocity.

It did divert much attention rom the won’s ruination of the economy.

[jazusamo]

Exactly...Incrementalism is what it’s all about and every leftist is going to keep plugging away to destroy the 2nd Amendment.

[Ancesthntr]

There are laws against murder in Colorado...fat lot of good that did in Aurora.

Fact is that there are so many hundreds of millions of magazines out there that such a law would do nothing to stop crime. Even the Chuckie-logic fails, let alone real logic, let alone the Constitutionality of the whole thing.

Pubbies in the House had BETTER kill this, or a lot of us will go to the range or reload instead of going to the polls.

[Gabrial]

Millions of criminals made overnight. Possessing one 30 round mag would make you a criminal.

[OrangeHoof]

This is a good move. Doesn’t the cybersecurity bill already have some things in it most conservatives find objectionable? Hopefully, Chuckie Cheese had pushed a few more Pubbies into voting against the whole thing now.

[William Tell]

Dead Corpse said: "We’ve given all we are going to give.
Not one step further..."

I live in the People's Republik of Kalifornia. Now that we have the Heller and McDonald decisions from the Supreme Court, I am expecting dramatic roll-backs in the many infringements in place here.

I am expecting the Appeals Courts, or the Supreme Court if necessary, to strike down "may issue" carry permits, ten day waiting periods, idiotic "unsafe handgun" lists, normal capacity magazine bans, and prohibitions against some rifles simply because they have a pistol grip or a flash suppressor.

We gun owners in Kalifornia are not only not going "one step further", we are going full steam ahead at taking back our rights.

Prior to the Kalifornia normal-capacity magazine ban, I purchased $1000 worth of magazines; many for guns I didn't yet own. I resolve here today that if Schumer succeeds in passing his infringement, I will personally purchase $10,000 worth of magazines. Because of Kalifornia's infringements, I will have to store them out-of-state, but buy them I will.

I will also encourage anyone I can to do the same, pointing out that I am among the elite in Kalifornia who owns "grand-fathered" normal-capacity magazines. There will be smoke rising from the overheated equipment manufacturing normal-capacity magazines if I have any say in the matter.

[aragorn]

These fools sure are pushing hard. I wonder if they really think they can control the disaster they seem hell-bent on unleashing. Once it starts, all bets are off.

[Amerigomag]

Much to-do about nothing.

In my experience, high capacity magazine serve little benefit in all but machine guns.

Three, ten round magazines, in the hands of a competent rifleman, can put as much lead down range as accurately and as rapidly as a highcap mag in a civilian AR-15.

The California, off-list AK-47 certainly benefits from a highcap mag but the rifle is basically a spray gun beyond 25 meters.

[devolve]

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Schumer and his wife both have NY carry permits

Feinstein and her husband both have CA carry permits

Sarah Brady carries a .38

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[GraceG]

Well at least they won’t be able to take away my 100,000 round 22 caliber multi barrel gatling gun....

[TribalPrincess2U]

Spot on. I think even the sheeples know that with us they get freedom to have a weapon so if one needs to, one can protect ones-self and their loved-ones.

Who would not want that? Dick-taters, that’s who. They want all your freedoms. Get a clue lefty’s!

[redgolum]

I suspect they will put this on every bill until it passes.

[Chode]

it's spelled SCHWULER!!!

(Schwuler = Fag in German)

[EdReform]

Ditto for Midway USA - they’re limiting Magpul 20 rnd AR15 mags to one order every 48 hours due to high demand.

[William Tell]

Amerigomag said: "In my experience, high capacity magazine serve little benefit in all but machine guns."

I don't totally disagree. However, if a single armed person wished to ambush a much larger group, I can see where not having to reload could be an advantage. I will leave to the imagination of the reader when such a circumstance might arise.

[William Tell]

Bobalu posted a link about someone: "... printing a new lower receiver for his AR-15."

Now that's pretty slick. It's akin to being able to use secure cryptography over the Internet. Once the technology exists, it never ceases to exist and the technology has the potential to frustrate government meddlers.

[philman_36]

People need to read and understand the implications of SA 2574 as well.

16 U.S.C. § 824a : US Code - Section 824A: Interconnection and coordination of facilities; emergencies; transmission to foreign countries

(c) Temporary connection and exchange of facilities during emergency
During the continuance of any war in which the United States is engaged, or whenever the Commission determines that an emergency exists by reason of a sudden increase in the demand for electric energy, or a shortage of electric energy or of facilities for the generation or transmission of electric energy, or of fuel or water for generating facilities, or other causes, the Commission shall have authority, either upon its own motion or upon complaint, with or without notice, hearing, or report, to require by order such temporary connections of facilities and such generation, delivery, interchange, or transmission of electric energy as in its judgment will best meet the emergency and serve the public interest.
Well that gets changed under SA 2574 as well.

Page 5402, 1/2 way down...

(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 202(c) of the Federal Power Act (16 U.S.C. 824a(c)) is amended— (1) by striking ‘‘(c) During’’ and inserting the following: ‘‘(c) TEMPORARY CONNECTION AND EXCHANGE OF FACILITIES DURING EMERGENCY.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—During’’; and (2) by adding at the end the following:

‘‘(2) COMPLIANCE WITH OR VIOLATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS WHILE UNDER EMERGENCY ORDER.—
‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—If an order issued under this subsection may result in a conflict with a requirement of any Federal, State, or local environmental law or regulation, the Commission shall ensure that the order—
‘‘(i) requires generation, delivery, interchange, or transmission of electric energy only during hours necessary to meet the emergency and serve the public interest; and
‘‘(ii) to the maximum extent practicable, is consistent with any applicable Federal, State, or local environmental law or regulation and minimizes any adverse environmental impacts.

People better think about these words too...WHILE UNDER EMERGENCY ORDER.

Title 10 › Chapter II › Subchapter A › Part 205 › Subpart W › Section 205.371

10 CFR 205.371
Definition of emergency.
“Emergency,” as used herein, is defined as an unexpected inadequate supply of electric energy which may result from the unexpected outage or breakdown of facilities for the generation, transmission or distribution of electric power. Such events may be the result of weather conditions, acts of God, or unforeseen occurrences not reasonably within the power of the affected “entity” to prevent. An emergency also can result from a sudden increase in customer demand, an inability to obtain adequate amounts of the necessary fuels to generate electricity, or a regulatory action (think EPA) which prohibits the use of certain electric power supply facilities. Actions under this authority are envisioned as meeting a specific inadequate power supply situation. Extended periods of insufficient power supply as a result of inadequate planning or the failure to construct necessary facilities can result in an emergency as contemplated in these regulations. In such cases, the impacted “entity” will be expected to make firm arrangements to resolve the problem until new facilities become available, so that a continuing emergency order is not needed. Situations where a shortage of electric energy is projected due solely to the failure of parties to agree to terms, conditions or other economic factors relating to service, generally will not be considered as emergencies unless the inability to supply electric service is imminent. Where an electricity outage or service inadequacy qualifies for a section 202(c) order, contractual difficulties alone will not be sufficient to preclude the issuance of an emergency order.

Snakes!

[Frank_2001]

Take a flyin’ f**k, Chuck.

[firebrand]

Exactly.

[firebrand]

One of the first priorities of the new Congress should be to prohibit these unrelated amendments and make it so every bill must stand alone.

[Travis McGee]

[GeronL]

So the Democrat idea of “common ground” is not to repeal a Constitutional amendment, just pretend it doesn’t exist.

What a compromise!

[Whenifhow]

Page 16-17 – explains why this bill has to exist
Mass casualty event
Mass evacuations

CSA 2012 EXPLANATION - WILL BE VOTED ON VERY SOON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR7L9uAsR9Q&feature=plcp

Page 119 (education and workforce)
Teach Kindergartener – 9th grade
Recruit Hackers
Page 126 – Internship
Scholarship – sign self to gov

Note: Cybersecurity bill: Recruit federal employees using 9th grade talent competition

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/24/cybersecurity-bill-recruit-federal-employees-using-9th-grade-talent-competition/

11 min in the video
Page 161 - mentions TREATIES
Page 167 -169 – UNITED NATIONS

[Smokin' Joe]

Considering....whose troops is he rooting for? Ours don’t normally carry AKs, and I’d rather our enemies went without.

[lapsus calami]

 

 

Speaks volumes for their lack of standing - they don't have the guts to roll out a stand-alone gun bill and debate it in the open, oh no, they have to sneak things onto other bills. Eternal vigilance against oppressors indeed.