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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
That the posted BC is a fraud, and I for one consider that assertion as proven. But that contention, even if true and accepted as a true fact; that the BC is a fraud; doesn’t necessarily mean 0bama is not a natural born citizen in our overly parsed world.

But Forgery is a high crime, as in 'high crimes and misdemeanors. Regardless of qualifications, that is enough to impeach. Then the validity of his NBC status could be sorted out and the laws voided or repealed if he failed to meet the criteria.

70 posted on 07/20/2012 3:10:30 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“But Forgery is a high crime...”

Maybe, maybe not as specifically defined by whatever set of laws specifically defines “high crimes”. I suspect not as it is generally classified as a misdemeanor in check forgery and document forgery, but I do not know for sure. (IANAL) It (the classification as to misdemeanor or felony) may have to do with the amount of money involved in the fraud.

But my main point is that even if it is a high crime, it is only an impeachable offense if one can prove that it was 0bama himself who either performed the graphic manipulation of the BC or uploaded it to the WH website, possibly both. See what I mean? If 0bama manipulated the image (unlikely) or uploaded it himself (unlikely) EVEN THEN, he was already president at the time the document was offered, thus he can’t be said to have proffered the fake BC in order to promulgate a fraud, though one could say he (or his directee) proffered the doc to *continue* a fraud. But as I said, he himself didn’t do this; most likley, a staffer did so. And now one would have to prove that he, 0bama, specifically directed the staffer(s) to create and upload the doc. You think the directions to do so exist in some documentable, obtainable-on-subpena format? IMO the best one could hope for in the event this was prosecuted (as a crime) would be the firing of “an overenthusiastic staff member”...like the kind of devotee(s) who produced the Julia thingy.

If you start thinking like a weasel, there are a dozen ways to separate the act of presenting the BC from the intention to defraud. And EVEN THEN, one would have to prove damages from having been duped by the BC, and that’s an impossible equivocal morass.

The law does not apply itself. There’s no mysterious force of righteousness or legality seeking to impose conformance with the law. Never mind the biases and partisanships on either side which could never be overcome to gather the prosecutorial force and will to pursue such a case. If you want to prove to me that gravity exists and makes stuff fall “down”, I can make it very, very hard for you by refusing to accept your definition of “down”, of “mass”, of “fall”.


90 posted on 07/20/2012 9:41:46 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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