NRA draws red line on UN arms treaty

The Hill ^ | 07/11/12 | Julian Pecquet

[neverdem]

“Already, 58 senators have objected to any treaty that includes civilian arms,” LaPierre said at the UN, referring to senators who have signed on to letters from Sens. Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.).

58 senators recognize the meaning of the Second Amendment. IMHO, we're closer to the magic 60 in the Senate than most people appreciate. How many pols are correct on the Second Amendment, but otherwise liberal? They are few and far between, IMHO.

Tester is making noise for a reason. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), the state's only Congressman, is going after his seat this November.

[Bon of Babble]

'The Arms Trade Treaty will not in any way handicap the legitimate right of self-defense,' Acting Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller said in a tweet last week.

Anyone here believe this?

[Chainmail]

Anytime George Soros throws his funding to support something - I this case the UN small arms treaty - warning flags should be all over the place. Keep the pressure up with our representatives - these people cannot be trusted.

[Chainmail]

Anytime George Soros throws his funding to support something - I this case the UN small arms treaty - warning flags should be all over the place. Keep the pressure up with our representatives - these people cannot be trusted.

[Chainmail]

Anytime George Soros throws his funding to support something - I this case the UN small arms treaty - warning flags should be all over the place. Keep the pressure up with our representatives - these people cannot be trusted.

[Carry_Okie]

The only way to address NRA's objections is to simply and completely remove civilian firearms from the scope of the treaty. That is the only solution. On that, there will be no compromise.

I'll warn you again, in a nation that once employed privateers with full military capability, a nation that once counted its defense as every able bodied male and not a standing army, a nation that now bans hand-held weapons, there is no room for the ambiguity as to what constitutes "civilian arms." Do not let this quote become the defining meme in this debate.

Consider what will happen when hand-held military weapons and high tech body armor make firearms irrelevant. Are you willing to allow the Second Amendment be degraded from "arms" in general to "civilian firearms"?

[Venturer]

Oh don’t worry says the UN. We wouldn’t dare infringe on your gun rights. Just let us pass this treaty and see what’s in it.

Between this and the LOST treaty, we are in deep trouble FRiends. While 58 Senators say they will not agreeto this 18 Republicans —enough to pass the LOSTY treaty say they will vote for it.

IMO TRAITORS. I don’t care if one of them did serve in Vietnam , He is a TRAITOR if he votes away our rights to our own water.

[antidemoncrat]

If anyone does believe this, contact me. I have some great swamp land for sale for future condo development.

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[Iron Munro]

Why the qualification regarding “civilian arms”?

The NRA should vehemently oppose this socialist, Nanny-State, one-worldism in its entirety.

[Wonder Warthog]

It shouldn’t be phrased “civilian arms”, it should be phrased “citizen OWNERSHIP of arms”.....ANY arms. But IMO there should be no treaty, period.

[muir_redwoods]

A point to be made is that, an objective review of the past 300 years shows that people have generally been better behaved with weapons than have governments. If either party should be disarmed, it should certainly be the worlds governments rather than the worlds people.

[Voice of Reason1]

Posted on the site:

Make no mistake: Gun registration really means that you will need to get governmental permission to be able to defend yourself.

Don’t believe me?

Envision a DMV style gun registration office in the near future.

After waiting a hour or two in line to register you means of self-defense……

[And paying the heavy taxes on such means therein]

……It’s finally your turn with the uncaring bureaucrat behind the counter, you step up and detail what you have.

They will then enter your data and if there is any reason why you shouldn’t possess your guns they won’t allow you to register them and most likely they will be confiscated on the spot.

Perhaps those in favor of such a scam can tell me how that couldn’t happen…

[noinfringers2]

Rose Gottemoeller needs to be thoroughly vetted. I suspect/believe she could well be a shill to disarm USA citizens no matter what her words.

[Greysard]

A point to be made is that, an objective review of the past 300 years shows that people have generally been better behaved with weapons than have governments.

This is because if a civilian wants to start a war he has to take his personal weapons, go somewhere, and risk his life. If he does that you can be sure that he has a pretty good reason.

However when a government wants to start a war it has power to send someone else to die for their interests. Bureaucrats are perfectly safe from consequences of their actions; that's why they cannot be trusted with any such thing.

[libstripper]

Of course. Remember how the Obamacare “penalties’ were declared by all, up to and including the illegal himself, not to be “taxes.” The HORROR OF IT. How could you even think the Obamunists lie??

[DTogo]

There is only ONE "red line" to be drawn with regards to the 2nd Amendment: Lexington and Concord.

[marktwain]

“Consider what will happen when hand-held military weapons and high tech body armor make firearms irrelevant.”

I am convinced that this was the intent with the National Firearms Act of 1932 (taxing full autos) and the highly unethical amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act in 1986 that ambiguously banned manufacture of full autos in the US for other than police and military.

[luvie]

Good for the NRA. The fact that there are less than 60 senators that don’t respect the 2nd Amendment is frightening....and the ones that don’t need replacing!

[redgolum]

We shall see.