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Thanks for posting
Excellent article. Thanks for posting.
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As for myself I would have approached the table differently.
Rather than consider the individual elements and their dissimilarities.(Which was attempted at least.)I considered that the Church was focused upon the term “independence” and
the similarities not discussed here —the Saints rebelled against the secular Government control of Church doctrine and discipline. (which in this case seemed to have been a King much like President Clinton —in that he saw himself as a ladies man-and wanted to bed any woman that caught his fancy—divine right of kings and all that) Our founders like Jefferson opposed the British King and his Anti-Christian rule of the Colonies. The church is(or ought be) governed by God(Christ at the head) America was established by men who
saw Christ at the head(Our system of laws and Govt. were
decidedly and by deliberation Christian-a reflection of the most cited —supreme authority of Scripture.) See David Barton on Is America a Christian nation? In Touch Ministries Veterans Day special some time ago.Presented credibly.The author for the hit piece by Christianity Today did precisely what David Barton addressed in that the CT author seems to have shaped his vision of our Founders on the secular reinvention of Thomas Jefferson —Yet I dare suggest even Jefferson probably read the Bible more than most Americans today,and in more languages. And Jefferson did not seem to question the central fact of Church history -as put by his fellow Deist Franklin (I believe Jefferson would agree) God Governs in the affairs of men.” See Franklins speech calling for Prayer June28 ,1787.
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A resounding “NO”! and here’s why:
About the time Thomas More was proclaiming the supremacy of his conscience over the king's orders, the Catholic church was the driving force in bringing thousands of those it called heretics to their deaths.
Neither Christ nor his disciples took up violence against even their most aggressive opposers.
And the attitude of the founding fathers was a “live and let live” in matters of religion.
What a beautiful essay!
Thank you ever so much iowamark for posting!!!
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The founding fathers didn’t have much good to say about organized hierarchical religions or the role of the Catholic church in their day and in history.
Not to get off topic, but I thought of this (hey, i’m old and scattered).
July 7th differences.
http://www.survivalbasictraining.com/2/post/2012/07/first-post.html
Story one, Obama:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-campaign-trying-to-appeal-to/
Story two, George W.:
Oddly the countries that were most ardent in their pursuit and condemnation of so called “heretics” are now most often indifferent to when not out-rightly hostile to the practice of religious faith.
But perhaps not so odd as the fruit of a poison tree is poisonous also.
George Washington attended Catholic Mass at least once while in Philadelphia. GW was very pro-Catholic, in the last sentence you can see JA wasn’t as kind.
John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail after he attended a Mass at St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Philadelphia with George Washington on October 9, 1774:
This afternoon, led by Curiosity and good Company I strolled away to Mother Church, or rather Grandmother Church, I mean the Romish Chapel. Heard a good, short, moral Essay upon the Duty of Parents to their Children, founded in justice and Charity, to take care of their Interests temporal and spiritual. This afternoon’s entertainment was to me most awful and affecting.
The poor wretches fingering their beads, chanting Latin, not a word of which they understood, their Pater Nosters and Ave Marias. Their holy water—their crossing themselves perpetually—their bowing to the name of Jesus wherever they hear it—their bowings, and kneelings, and genuflections before the altar.
The dress of the priest was rich with lace—his pulpit was velvet and gold. The altar piece was very rich—little images and crucifixes about—wax candles lighted up. But how shall I describe the picture of our Saviour in a frame of marble over the altar, at full length, upon the cross in the agonies, and the blood dropping and streaming from his wounds.
The music consisting of an organ, and a Choir of singers, went all the afternoon, excepting sermon Time, and the Assembly chanted—most sweetly and exquisitely. Here is everything which can lay hold of the eye, ear, and imagination. Everything which can charm and bewitch the simple and the ignorant. I wonder how Luther ever broke the spell.