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Are We Being Too Hard On John Roberts?
CE.com ^ | July 5th, 2012 | Ken Connor

Posted on 07/05/2012 7:14:59 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: philman_36

I’ve never believed them to begin with. So, why do you have such a burr under your saddle with what I posted?

The Democrats sold this as a mandate, not as a tax. The fact that you can find a couple of passages in the Congressional Record where they say it is authorized as a tax doesn’t negate what they argued publicly for weeks.


161 posted on 07/06/2012 4:34:32 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: philman_36

THe Republicans weren’t SELLING, they were trying to “DERAIL” the legislation. I said “sold”. Those arguing FOR the ACA.

Go find me some people trying to get the ACA passed and touting it as a tax increase.

Do it. Go find them. Please post the results when you find them.


162 posted on 07/06/2012 4:38:32 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Grampa Dave

The cost of being a conservative will necessarily skyrocket.


163 posted on 07/06/2012 4:43:45 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bryan24
Go find me some people trying to get the ACA passed and touting it as a tax increase.
I did. You even recognized it...

You managed to track down a small snippet, maybe .01% of the actual debate on the bill, where they argued that it WAS a tax.

Or have you forgotten so quickly?

164 posted on 07/06/2012 5:03:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You found 1 guy making a point in the Congressional Record. Was that on the floor or was ‘revised and extended’ remarks that no one ever heard?

Find me some more. One person does not make a majority argument.


165 posted on 07/06/2012 5:35:02 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24
Find me some more.
Find it your damn self! I'm not your slave!
166 posted on 07/06/2012 6:44:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You’re the guy that came jumpin all over me. You found 1 Senator that had some remarks in the Congressional Record. That doesn’t negate my original point. If YOU want to negate it, find a lot of people arguing it was a tax.


167 posted on 07/06/2012 7:38:17 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Salvation

Screw you Ken Connor.


168 posted on 07/06/2012 7:40:27 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Tallguy
I fail to understand how Roberts could decide that the “Personal Mandate” is a tax when the case was not argued by the Obama’s lawyers in that way.

How would it be right for a Supreme Court justice to base his decision on the argument the lawyers make vs. the actual content of the law? By that logic, Obama could argue to the court that DOMA should be upheld because a purple polka-dotted dinosaur came to him and told him so. What the lawyers say doesn't determine what is or isn't constitutional, only what's in the content of the law.

169 posted on 07/06/2012 7:44:13 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Bryan24
If YOU want to negate it...
I don't NEED to negate it. The evidence is there for all who care to look and see.

...find a lot of people arguing it was a tax.

How about you finding a lot of people to support your original claim?
@The intent of the law was for it to not be a tax. That was argued in the House, in the Senate, and by the President.

That is you making that claim, isn't it?
But didn't they lie to you?

Have a nice day.

170 posted on 07/06/2012 8:29:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Salvation

“John Roberts did not take an oath to advance the cause of conservatism or the agenda of the Republican Party. He did not agree to become a judicial activist for the Right. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution.”

To uphold the Constitution is to advance the cause of conservatism.


171 posted on 07/07/2012 12:24:57 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Salvation

Not no but HELL NO!!!


172 posted on 07/07/2012 6:32:16 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: philman_36
Neither am I and so am I. That doesn't stop me from knowing what is, and was, going on.

You mean you don't know that you have to go to law school to begin to even understand the sublime wisdom of our philosopher-kings, who allow us to call them Judges.

173 posted on 07/07/2012 8:20:00 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Hacksaw
You mean you don't know that you have to go to law school to begin to even understand the sublime wisdom of our philosopher-kings, who allow us to call them Judges.

I must have missed that section in the brochure.

174 posted on 07/07/2012 4:41:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dirtboy; Salvation

” I guess they never envisioned that a succession of Supreme Court justices would simply alter the meaning of words to get around those limits. “

Which is precisely what that fool Roberts did!


175 posted on 07/09/2012 9:06:21 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Old Sarge; null and void

” We haven’t even begun.

This is the most despicable bench-legislation since the genocidal Roe v. Wade.”

Roberts gave SCOTUS carte blanche to do anything they want in the future. He is a malevolent SOB.


176 posted on 07/09/2012 9:09:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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