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To: robowombat
I disagree. There's no appetite for war, particularly on the part of the Left after Iraq. The thought of shooting or bombing "fellow Americans" would be untenable, particularly if done during the term of a wimpish Republican such as Mitt Romney.

If the action is non-violent in the "we want a divorce" mode met with a Texan resolve of "we're just not going to sit here and obey Washington's dictates any more", I think freedom can be won because then neither the Left nor the Right would support Romney in a military response.

The trick would be to erect border fences (on the states) and print currency so that a secession action can begin establishing itself as a new country from the beginning. If you have borders, money and strong leadership with a plan to execute, the new nation can start operations before DC knows what happened.

I think it can be won without firing a shot. The new nation would have to be willing to negotiate with DC on various federal operations on Texas soil (military bases, etc.) and Texas will have to pay for some of their freedoms but if you explain it like a business that divests one of their assets in order to raise funds to keep the other businesses afloat, a capitalist like Romney can even see some sense for the US to let Texas go their own way.

Simply have Texas' governor announce "effective today, we will no longer obey the orders of Washington DC nor send them our tax revenue. We are forming our own nation with our own Constitution and our own currency. We will begin today to establish sovereign foreign relations with any country that wishes to recognize us and commence doing trade with then. We come in peace and do not wish any form of violent confrontation. No citizen of Texas will be held against their will if they wish to leave but if they do leave, we reserve the right to control our borders and those leaving may not automatically be allowed to return..."

34 posted on 07/02/2012 11:13:31 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Unfortunately the left does have a big appetite for violence if they can get someone like BATF thugs to perpetrate it. A visit to various leftist web sites including DU is quite an educational experience. The left literally has a visceral generalized hatred of middle class white Red state voters. They would certainly like to kill a lot of them and destroy as much of middle class America as possible. There are plenty of people who have an ‘orders are orders’ mentality in the military and there are quite a few leftist statists among the minority officers. I have heard black USAF officers describe how they would like to air raid and bomb Columbia SC when the SC government kept flying the CSA battle flag from the Statehouse. A major unstated, but to me obvious, reason for ending DADT, demands for women to be integrated into combat units and the USAF purge of openly evangelical faith is to create a more PC military that will consist of a lot of dependent class types and various fringe characters with a generalized dislike for America that will be willing to follow careerists conscienceless leaders to turn their weapons on the American people.

Texas would have the best change of an independent existence. It has oil to back up any currency and a strong sense of cultural and political identity. However, this is likely to be the last election the GOP will win easily in Texas. The advance of Hispanic identity politics casts a pall over that state. Witness Perry stupid remarks on immigration. Also note the type of people who are the mayors of cities such as Dallas and Houston. The liberal rot is spreading within every state with any significant ‘diversity’ population.

43 posted on 07/03/2012 7:09:51 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: OrangeHoof

Rather odd to think that having 50 states feverishly printing money will lead to greater monetary stability than the federal reserve system we have now. We tried that approach under the Articles of Federation, and it didn’t work.

If you can’t get 3/4s to amend the constitution, you can’t get 3/4s for secession. Anything less would be rebellion, and would be punished harshly.


63 posted on 07/04/2012 12:20:35 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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