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Passing Bill for Fifth Time Requiring Microstamping of Handguns(NY)
patch.com ^ | 1 July, 2012 | Michelle Schimel

Posted on 07/02/2012 5:41:24 AM PDT by marktwain

Together with Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Codes Committee Chair Joseph Lentol, we announced on June 20 passage of the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2012 that would require all new semiautomatic handguns sold in New York State, by 2014, to be microstamped with a unique code which is transferred to shell casings when the gun is fired.

“Microstamping is a technological advancement that will not only help law enforcement officials investigate gun-related crimes, but will also act as a prevention tool to combat gun trafficking and reduce gun violence across New York,” said Silver. “Gun violence has caused great harm to many in our communities. This legislation would help law enforcement to bring the perpetrators of these violent crimes to justice and offer some measure of closure to the victims of these heinous acts. I commend Assemblywoman Schimel for championing this effort and all my colleagues for supporting this important public safety measure.”

Microstamping ensures that when a gun is fired, information identifying the make, model and serial number of the gun is stamped onto the cartridge as numbers and letters. This technology allows law enforcement to trace firearms through shell casings found at crime scenes, even if the gun is never found. This crime-fighting tool will provide law enforcement with rapid leads at crime scenes and will provide evidence to help investigate, arrest, and convict more criminals of gun-related offenses.

This is the fifth year that I have sponsored and debated microstamping legislation, which has passed our house each year. In this session, the Assembly included a microstamping measure in our budget proposal, but regretfully, it was not included in the final state budget. As we wait for the state Senate to act on this bill, brave law enforcement officers are being struck down by gun fire and innocent victims continue to be wantonly murdered. We can’t catch their killers because they fire anonymous bullets. I urge the state Senate to put the public’s safety above the interests of extremists in the gun lobby and pass this important crime-fighting measure.

Silver and I have noted that this bill will not place any restrictions on lawful gun ownership or impair access to the lawful purchase of weapons. The certification process called for in the bill is entirely industry based. The manufacturers of semiautomatic handguns will incur minimal costs to adopt this technology.

Michelle Schimel is the New York State Assembly representative for the 16th Assembly District. She was first elected in a Special Election held on March 27, 2007.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; gungrabbers; microstamping; ny; registration
Microstamping is an ineffective and expensive way to promote total gun registration. It is useless without gun registration, and registration is constitutionally repugnant to voters.
1 posted on 07/02/2012 5:41:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Worse than registration, it would require a mega-bureauacracy in place to retest weapons periodically. This would require that gun owners take their weapons in for annual retesting, since the microstamps can so easily be filed or worn off. Naturally, this will take a long time per gun, due to the backlog of testing. So for a few months per year, your weapons will be off for retesting, (at your expense).

If a firearms owner doesn't comply, intentionally or by omission (say, if he's out of the country on business or in the military) it will be felony city. Look at Illinois and their FOID cards, which are a felony trap for the unwary.

The real intention of microstamping will be to make gun ownership such a hassle, expense, and legal risk, that millions will simply give up their firearms as not worth it.


2 posted on 07/02/2012 5:48:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2012 that would require all new semiautomatic handguns sold in New York State, by 2014

Ah, since when have anyone been allowed to purchase a handgun (legally) in NY State to begin with?

Well, almost!

Naturally ALL miscreants, terrorists, criminals, etc. will dutifully abide by this new law (just as they have will all of the others in the past) and this will no doubt, curb all of the violence and crimes committed with guns. /sarc

3 posted on 07/02/2012 6:11:13 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: marktwain

I have an effective and patentable way of microstamping bullets as well as casings. Like a couple of other things, I’ll not submit it.


4 posted on 07/02/2012 6:17:26 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: marktwain

If this passes the State Senate, all rational criminals will simply switch to revolvers. It shows the total stupidity of Socialist politicians and the total complicity of the Socialist MSM.


5 posted on 07/02/2012 6:20:35 AM PDT by Postman
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To: Postman

Anti-gun, pro-criminal idiots. NY strikes again. I’m usalluy not for “banning” but this time I suggest banning all anti-gun idiots from this country. If anything, THEY should be microstamped so we can identify them.


6 posted on 07/02/2012 6:25:28 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: marktwain

And next on the agenda is a microstamping device for soda straws if the dispenser goes over a certain limit.


7 posted on 07/02/2012 6:26:29 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: marktwain

The face of the enemy within:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Schimel


8 posted on 07/02/2012 6:26:37 AM PDT by Postman
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To: marktwain
As we wait for the state Senate to act on this bill, brave law enforcement officers are being struck down by gun fire and innocent victims continue to be wantonly murdered. We can’t catch their killers because they fire anonymous bullets.

LIAR!

The bullets will still be anonymous, whether the shell casing is microstamped or not. This won't work, so then they'll want to put a serial number on every bullet. ** No more cheap ammo. **

9 posted on 07/02/2012 6:27:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain
For most criminal purposes Zip Guns work just great. New York is lousy with them.

So, tell me, are all these guys named "Sheldon" that stupid or is it just that they act that way?

10 posted on 07/02/2012 6:30:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Postman
If this passes the State Senate, all rational criminals will simply switch to revolvers.

Why should they? All they have to do is wipe and drop the weapon at the scene. You think they care if the source is tracked? Only the idiots will hang on to the weapon. Darwin will eliminate them from that particular labor pool PDQ.

History proves that the black market responds in the same manner as the regular market place. Demand generates supply and is priced accordingly.

11 posted on 07/02/2012 6:38:53 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: marktwain

I guess it only works with semi-autos huh? Unless the perp is stupid enough to dump his empty shell casings from his revolver at the crime scene. Of course most of these clowns KNOW that revolvers just ain’t as cool looking when holding them sideways.

Did anybody ever see the al queda training videos? If I was one of the trainers and saw one of the trainees doing this gangsta move like in the video they’d get a 9 to the back of the head as an example to the rest of the trainees. Think they’d get the hint that they are terrorists not gangstas?

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


12 posted on 07/02/2012 6:43:30 AM PDT by rktman
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To: smokingfrog
microstamping of bullets wont work reliably--deformation. some non-forming design will be required. but what about cast bullets? those will have to be outlawed. there is a huge supply of non-stamped bullets. theyll have to outlawed as well.

these unworkable schemes only serve to make people feel good while skewing the markelt. revovlers and non-ejecting case design will (re)emerge. the current population of non-stamped weapons and bullets, if not outlawed, will become fixed and artificially expensive. simple economics. we saw something similar with the AW and normal capacity mag ban of 1994.

13 posted on 07/02/2012 6:52:03 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: marktwain
would require all new semiautomatic handguns sold in New York State

Including handguns sold to LEO?

14 posted on 07/02/2012 6:52:40 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: marktwain

There should next be a law requiring the collection of voice samplings of every human within the US. This will help investigators to ascertain the identity of potential criminals or plots retrieved from phone traffic on analyzed NSA recordings.


15 posted on 07/02/2012 6:56:43 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: marktwain

Stupidity and evil are eternal.


16 posted on 07/02/2012 7:02:03 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain
Photobucket

Michelle even looks like a moonbat!

17 posted on 07/02/2012 7:08:44 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain

“as a prevention tool to combat gun trafficking”

Creating a demand for imported (from other states) goods will reduce “trafficking”. Yeah. Right.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 7:11:26 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Stupidity and evil are eternal.

It's a shame that stupidity can't be converted to electricity. We would have an endless source of energy!

19 posted on 07/02/2012 7:48:04 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Postman

One word: Dremel.


20 posted on 07/02/2012 7:51:11 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing we USED to have.)
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To: Pecos

Cheaper words: nail file, emery board.


21 posted on 07/02/2012 7:55:07 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Hardraade

I have an effective and patentable way of microstamping bullets as well as casings. Like a couple of other things, I’ll not submit it.


Speaking as a patent attorney, you may be better off submitting it, because a patent can prevent others from implementing the idea if they also come up with it.


22 posted on 07/02/2012 9:15:34 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Beelzebubba

I think not. It will cost patent money I don’t have. And I don’t think it’s a likely flash in anyone’s head.

Anyway, it’s completely unsubvertible, cannot be killed by file or mistreatment, but adds to the expense of the gun. Would probably be best for locking down govt owned guns. For the fast & furious stuff, for example, you’d be able to tally every kill from every gun, provided you found a halfway decent bullet frag.

Anyway, I had a car system back in 87 that our national insurance association went a bit crazy over. Shredded the thing, it would have destroyed privacy and freedom of movement to a point where Obomber&Co hasn’t even thought yet


23 posted on 07/02/2012 12:55:22 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Hardraade

The choice is yours, but my point is that the power of a patent is to PREVENT others from practicing the invention.


24 posted on 07/02/2012 2:03:05 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Hardraade
I had an idea that I developed in the mid 80’s that could effectively destroy the country with small expense. It would probably kill off 10s of millions and keep the country crippled for a decade or more. It required 30 people that could keep their mouth shut.

I refused to publish it for 20 years, but now it has gotten out on the net, though not in great detail. Some counter measures are in place since 9/11, but the current administration has stalled the most effective ones, that would have cost a tiny fraction of the TARP money spent on frivolous things.

25 posted on 07/02/2012 6:07:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: T-Bird45

You’re forgetting the immortal words of Tim, the Toolman, “It needs more power!” ;-)


26 posted on 07/03/2012 2:42:32 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing we USED to have.)
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