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1 posted on 06/25/2012 2:55:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Hey, I know the war’s been over for 67 years, but I was looking at WWII photos this morning. Looking up stuff about the Ustasha, the Croatian pro-Nazi org, after seeing a doc about the Ustasha leaders-criminals yesterday. Difficult to feel sorry about dead Germans after seeing Holocaust pics for the umpteenth time.


72 posted on 06/25/2012 5:44:07 PM PDT by driftless2
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I seem to recall the Germans doing a little big city bombing as well.

And they started the damn war in the first place, so suck it up.


77 posted on 06/25/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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a bombing campaign that failed to break their spirit or bring their industry to its knees.

That was no longer the goal of bombing at that time. Most of the German industry was either already destroyed or decentralized enough as to not be effective targets. Much of it was hidden in cities. The Luftwaffe was becoming short on two things, fuel and experienced pilots. Starting in the last year German resources became so dear that their planes were ordered not take off to meet our fighters. As the end came near about the only way for them to get airborn was to meet allied bombers. So bombing targets became secondary as bombers main purpose eventually became drawing German fighters into the air so ours could destroy them, to the relief of our ground forces. But we still didn't send bombers up just as bait so they had to have some target in mind but targeting wasn't as important as it was before DDay. This was suspected for decades but only confirmed a few years ago.

IIRC Stalin asked the Allies for the Dresden raid. If it wasn't for Kurt Vonnegut's book Dresden would have been just another place on the list of destroyed cities of WWII.

84 posted on 06/25/2012 7:19:37 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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IMHO the book
The New Dealers' War:
FDR and the War Within World War II
by Thomas Fleming
should be required reading for anyone commenting on the morality of WWII.
91 posted on 06/25/2012 11:16:52 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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I'm sorry, Helma, but the bombing was justified. I am pained that civilians were killed and such beautiful old building destroyed, but the Germans needed to learn the consequences of playing war. The utter destruction of Germany and Japan ensured that both those societies rejected the concept of war as the first option.

Let us not forget that the Germans practised total war and targetted civilians. They sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind --> Germans were kicked out of Eastern Europe, even those who had lived in Romania, the baltics etc. for centuries, nearly a millenia.

the Red army reportedly raped 2 million women when they marched into Germany. The Germans got literally hell to pay. And they paid it

But, unlike the Red army atrocities, the British bomber command actually had a sensible target and aim -- destroy the enemies ability to make war and show them how vulnerable they are. Unlike the Red Army, the British bomber command was not just 'let's give them hell for giving us hell' -- though that did undoubtedly play a part.

For helping shorten the war, Artur Harris deserves a statue.

99 posted on 06/26/2012 5:20:35 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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Considering what the Germans did to the Russians and those whose Countries they occupied from 1939-45 they got off easy.

It is always beeb about what the "poor" Germans had done to them. No mention of the bombing of Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Coventry or the actions of the "Special Police" Units that systemacially wiped out entire villages. Nor the death camps, nor the deliberate starving to death of between 250,000 and a million of Russian POWs. As far as I am concerned, they would have been justified to have wiped out the entire German race. The same with Japan for the way they treated our POWs.

Neither Germany nor Japan received half of what they deserved.

104 posted on 06/26/2012 5:54:44 AM PDT by sport
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symbolizes the ruthlessness and pointlessness of a bombing campaign

The War that Germany started is best described by this statement.

107 posted on 06/26/2012 6:18:36 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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An interesting sidebar to this story. I just heard on the radio this morning that the French Ambassador is coming to my town today to present the Chevalier de la legion d'honneur to a local B-17 crewman:

"Francois Delattre, the French ambassador to the United States, will visit Lafayette and St. Martinville today and Friday as part of a high-profile trip that includes honoring a local World War II veteran for his role in helping liberate France from Nazi control."

119 posted on 06/28/2012 5:48:50 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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