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To: Moltke

I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980’s and remember the requirements to obtain a Jagdschein or Waffenschein - very difficult. US personnel were exempt from FRG weapons laws & registered their guns with the provost marshal. No longer the case. Last I heard in the Army was if you had orders for Germany to just leave your guns at home.

It’s still true that the 2nd Amendment posits an entirely different relationship between US citizens & government than anywhere else, Switzerland excepted. Burden of proof for denying the right to bear arms is on the government here. I used to read DWJ & other German gun magazines. There was a column called “Ihr gutes Recht” but reading it sounded like gun rights advocates in Germany were fighting a losing battle.

I do remember visiting the Frankonia-Jagd store in Darmstadt & the main store in Wurzburg. Lots of neat stuff.


39 posted on 06/26/2012 8:25:00 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: elcid1970

Yep, that’s pretty much all correct. Getting a Jagdschein is a hell of a lot more difficult in Germany than the US. And so is getting a driving license... So, you just have to try harder. ;-)

Unless I’m mistaken a Waffenschein is like a carry license. There’s also a Waffenbesitzkarte, which is a license to own long and short weapons. Much easier to obtain (of age/no criminal convictions/member of a shooting club or guild - Schützenverein, every little village has one).

Sadly the US did not impose something like the 2nd Amendment on Germany after WWII. That IMHO being the real major difference.

Another short comment on your earlier post: It’s not necessarily true that killing someone in self defense will get you prosecuted (ok, only in the UK). If it was justified (even using “excessive force” - Notwehrexzess) you’re not going to jail over it. If you shoot someone in the back who’s running away from you, well, that’ll get you in trouble pretty much everywhere.


42 posted on 06/26/2012 12:08:19 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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