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Jihad in France Just Beginning [This is what we are facing]
Gatestone Institute ^ | April 2, 2012 at 4:30 am | by Guy Millière

Posted on 06/24/2012 11:07:16 PM PDT by bd476



Jihad in France Just Beginning



by Guy Millière
April 2, 2012 at 4:30 am



The Obin Report showed a deep infiltration by radical Islam into the vast majority of French schools and a vitriolic hatred for Jews. What the Report showed was so alarming that the text was not initially disclosed.

Nobody dares to say that more than thirty mosques all over the country broadcast incendiary remarks that have « nothing to do with the teachings of Islam, » and that the same remarks are received daily on television by tens of thousands of Muslims in France through the Arabic version of Al Jazeera.


The Congress of the French branch of the Muslim Brotherhood (UOIF) will take place in the city of Le Bourget, near Paris, from April 6-9. Over 100,000 participants are expected.

Six anti-Semitic Islamic preachers who were invited to speak were denied entry into France. Other anti-Semitic Islamic preachers will speak anyway ; they are French, they cannot be expelled. They will not be condemned.

The French government knows that if it condemned them, it might be confronted by riots in many suburbs. Every year, openly anti-Semitic books are on sale at the Congress of the UOIF, among them the fabricated « Protocols of the Elders of Zion. » This year will be no different.

Several radical Islamist organizations openly advocate -- without interference -- jihad on French territory. One of them, Forsane Alizza (Pride Riders), was banned by the French government at the end of February : it had started to form fighters on French soil. Although officially the organization disappeared, its members are still active. Eighteen of them were arrested on March 30 ; they will probably soon be released.

Also, as it is now widely known, on March 19, a man entered a Jewish school, Ozar Hatora, in Toulouse, France, where he killed a rabbi, his two children, then an eight years old little girl by shooting her three times in the head after dragging her by the hair to place her in front of the camera he was carrying. These were the worst anti-Semitic acts committed on French soil since the three-week kidnapping, torture and murder of Ilan Halimi in February 2006.

After the murders in Toulouse, like commentators and so many other people, the police initially followed the trail of the « extreme right. » A mobilization across the country was to be expected. The mobilization started quickly.

It was soon revealed that the killer who had just shot four Jews was the same man who had murdered three French soldiers, including two Muslims, the week before. All the commentators ferociously incriminated the « far right.» Anti-racist associations issued statements denouncing « fascist barbarity raising its ugly head again ».

It then emerged that the man was a French Muslim who had traveled to the mountains of Afghanistan in to train for jihad, Islamic holy war. The police found him, and shot him to death after a rough gunfight.

The mobilization ceased as rapidly as it had begun. Commentators no longer spoke of anti-Semitism. Anti-racist associations became silent.

All attention focused on the killer, Mohamed Merah. He was presented as a « nice young man » by his neighbors, then as a « petty criminal » who inexplicably drifted, and finally as a « lone wolf » without any connection with terrorist movements.

It was gradually revealed that his older brother, Abdelkader, now in prison, had links with Islamists in Belgium and the United Kingdom, and organized networks helping young French Muslims join jihadi organizations in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It appeared that the killer, Mohamed Merah had been imprisoned in Afghanistan for planting bombs in Kandahar, and had been placed on the list of dangerous people to be monitored closely by the security services of the United States.

It also appeared that he was under the supervision of the French Department of the Interior, a circumstance that did not prevent him from obtaining an impressive arsenal, and killing several times without arousing immediate suspicions.

More information will emerge. The French mainstream media will reveal it, with obvious reluctance. Every time journalists speak or write about the case, they constantly point out that Mohamed Merah is « not really a Muslim, » and that no one should forget that Islam is a « religion of peace ».

Anti-racist associations have broken their silence and call for vigilance against « racism » in general, and against the risk of « divisions ».

Nicolas Sarkozy has promised sanctions against French youths who go train in jihadi camps and those who visit websites praising jihad. Consequently, Sarkozy was immediately described by almost all other political leaders as a dangerous man.



Graffiti praising Merah on the wall of a French house:

"You were a valiant Knight of Islam! You fought the s### zionist and
the false muslims. You died guns in hand... I salute you Mohamed
my brother, my friend... Rest in peace !"



The worst anti-Semitic crime committed on French soil for decades is no longer described as an anti-Semitic crime by anyone, except Jews, and even Jews choose their words carefully.

Now the Jewish school that was attacked as well as other Jewish schools in France are receiving threatening emails, according to Agence France-Presse, Jewish cemeteries are being vandalized in Paris and Nice, and graffiti praising Merah has been appearing over the walls of homes.

The assassin has justified his act by invoking the « suffering of Gaza's children, » a suffering described by a growing number of journalists as a « mitigating circumstance ». When Richard Prasquier, president of CRIF (Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France) wanted to say during a newscast that media should cease showing distorted images inciting hatred of Israel, the anchor immediately stopped him, saying, « This is a moment of meditation, not controversy. »

The point that the murderer is a young French Muslim who turned to radical Islam and killed Jewish children only because they were Jewish is no longer evoked. The only risk mentioned constantly on television, in newspapers, and in most political discourse is that fear could push people to « stigmatize Muslims, » who run « the risk of being discriminated against.» « The killer, » said Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Great Mosque of Paris, « has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. »

Nobody dares to say that dozens of young French Muslims go every year to jihadi training camps and follow exactly the same course as Mohamed Merah. How many of them are likely to act at one time or another?

Nobody dares to say that more than thirty mosques all over the country broadcast incendiary remarks which, according to Boubakeur, have « nothing to do with the teachings of Islam, » and that the same remarks are received daily on television by tens of thousands of Muslims in France through the Arabic version of Al Jazeera. How many Muslims are being indoctrinated with the same ideas as Mohamed Merah and will start to share his hatred of Jews and the West ?

According to the National Bureau of Vigilance against Anti-Semitism (BNVCA), nearly four hundred physical attacks against Jews occurred in France in 2011 -- more than one a day. Moreover, Sammy Ghozlan, President of BNVCA, states that the number of attacks that have not been the subject of legal complaints is much higher.

All the attacks recorded by BNVCA were committed by Muslims. Not one was due to a member of a far-right movement. French laws forbid publicly declaring who exactly assaults Jews on French soil; those who do risk heavy fines and prosecution.

In 2004, the government commissioned a report, called the Obin Report, on « the Signs and Manifestations of Religious Affiliation in Educational Establishments. » The Obin Report showed a deep infiltration by radical Islam into the vast majority of French schools, and a vitriolic hatred for Jews. What it described was so alarming that the text was not initially disclosed. As nothing was done to protest what the report showed, one can deduce that eight years later, the situation has not improved. Jewish families withdraw their children from public schools to place them in Jewish private schools, where they become potential targets of Islamic extremists. Each year, however, two thousand Jews leave France to settle in Israel, sometimes in Canada or the United States.

Jews in France number five hundred thousand, and that number is decreasing. Muslims total more than six million, and for the most part, they are French citizens who exercise their voting rights.
(Emphasis added)


The question is not whether there will be another anti-Semitic murder in France, but rather, When ? Jihad in France is just beginning.






White House Congratulates Muslim Brotherhood For Winning Egypt’s Presidential Election

 
06/24/2012 7:43:42 PM PDT · by CaptainKrunch · 21 replies
Weasel Zippers ^ | June 24, 2012 | Zip
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06/24/2012 5:59:17 PM PDT · by mandaladon · 21 replies
The Blaze ^ | 24 Jun 2012 | Madeleine Morgenstern
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06/24/2012 3:40:26 PM PDT · by tje · 53 replies
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06/24/2012 12:03:21 PM PDT · by Free ThinkerNY · 5 replies
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06/24/2012 10:39:22 AM PDT · by Milagros · 12 replies
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06/24/2012 7:39:16 AM PDT · by John W · 98 replies
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06/23/2012 5:58:52 AM PDT · by Kaslin · 4 replies
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06/23/2012 2:45:44 AM PDT · by Dave346 · 89 replies
Jerusalem Post ^ | 06/22/2012 | JPOST.COM STAFF, REUTERS
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06/19/2012 5:11:11 AM PDT · by SJackson · 6 replies
Atlas Shrugs ^ | June 19, 2012
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06/18/2012 10:16:24 PM PDT · by Nachum · 26 replies
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06/18/2012 5:39:38 PM PDT · by Free ThinkerNY · 16 replies
Conservative Nation News/Reuters ^ | June 18, 2012
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As Muslim Brotherhood Takes Over Egypt, the New York Times Laments the World's Impact on Obama

 
06/18/2012 12:09:26 PM PDT · by Kaslin · 2 replies
Rush Limbaugh,com ^ | June 18, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT RUSH: There is an article in the New York Times today that essentially makes the same point. It's the world's fault that Obama's having problems. Europe and economics. Syria and other places in the Middle East. Oh, speaking of which! I wasn't gonna do this but I changed my mind. Grab audio sound bite number one. Go back to this. I was not gonna do this, but now it's reared its head. January 31st of 2011. When the Muslim Brotherhood... You know when the Arab spring was going on and the Muslim Brotherhood was wreaking havoc and trying...
 

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06/18/2012 9:30:57 AM PDT · by Milagros · 9 replies

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Military Guards Egypt Power As Islamists Claim Victory [Muslim Brotherhood Wins Presidency!]

 
06/17/2012 7:31:42 PM PDT · by Steelfish · 12 replies
MSNBC ^ | June 17, 2012
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Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood leaders ordered rocket attack on Israel

 
06/17/2012 6:38:48 AM PDT · by SJackson · 7 replies
Jihad Watch ^ | 6-17-12
An act of war from an organization that has penetrated deeply into the U.S. Government. "Officials: Hamas ordered Grad attack on Israel at request of Muslim Brotherhood," by Avi Issacharoff and Gili Cohen for Haaretz, June 16 (thanks to David): Israeli security officials say that the rockets that landed on Friday in the area near Ovda and Mitzpeh Ramon, were launched after a request by senior leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. According to these officials, the rockets were launched from the Sinai Peninsula by a Bedouin unit, according to Hamas orders, even though Hamas itself wasn't the initiator...
 

Cong. Leaders Call for Investigations of Muslim Brotherhood Penetration of the Obama Administration

 
06/16/2012 8:04:02 AM PDT · by IbJensen · 25 replies
Red State ^ | 14 June 2012 | Staff
Washington, DC, June 14, 2012: Five influential Members of Congress called yesterday for the inspectors general (IGs) of government departments with national security responsibilities to investigate whether their agencies are being subjected to influence operations mounted as part of what the Muslim Brotherhood calls its “civilization jihad.” This initiative holds out hope that a grave, and largely unremarked, threat may thus be recognized and thwarted in time. The authors of letters sent to the IGs for the Departments of State, Justice, Defense and Homeland Security and theOffice of the Director of National Intelligence are: Rep. Michele Bachman, a member of...
 

Jerusalem to become Egypt’s capital under (Muslim Brotherhood) Mursi’s rule, says Muslim cleric

 
06/09/2012 12:41:13 AM PDT · by Olog-hai · 18 replies
Al-Arabiya ^ | Thursday, 07 June 2012 | Abeer Tayel
If Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohammed Mursi became president, Egypt’s new capital will no more be Cairo, but the new capital will be Jerusalem, a prominent Egyptian cleric said at a presidential campaign rally, which was aired by an Egyptian private TV channel. “Our capital shall not be Cairo, Mecca or Medina. It shall be Jerusalem with God’s will. Our chants shall be: ‘millions of martyrs will march towards Jerusalem’,” prominent cleric Safwat Hagazy said, according to the video aired by Egypt’s religious Annas TV on Tuesday. The video went viral after being posted on YouTube—accompanied by English subtitles by Memri...
 



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KEYWORDS: antisemitism; europeanunion; france; germany; halimi; jihad; muslimbrotherhood; russia; unitedkingdom

Atlas Shrugs


Muslim Monstrous Murderer of Ilan Halimi is Posting Vids from Prison



Friday, March 09, 2012



The mastermind, Youssouf Fofana, who called himself the “Brain of the Barbarians,” is serving a life sentence for the murder of Ilan Halimi, (with aggravating circumstances of anti-Semitism). The ringleader and his "Gang of Barbarians" were found guilty in diverse degrees of luring, kidnapping, and torturing Ilan Halimi, a young Jewish man unspeakably tortured and killed because ..... he was a Jew.




Ilan Halimi
French Jew before he was kidnapped,
tortured and murdered by French Muslims



Ilan Halimi





One teenage member admitted having put out a cigarette on Halimi’s face “because he didn’t like Jews.”


Longtime Atlas readers are painfully aware of the savage murder of the French Jewish young man, Ilan Halimi (previous Atlas coverage here).

Ilan Halimi was targeted, tortured for weeks and murdered because he was Jewish. The murder of Ilan Halimi can only be described as an unspeakable horror, and yet typical of the rising Islamic Jew-hatred and violence against the Jews.

A group calling itself the Muslim Barbarians targeted Jewish men for torture and murder. Their first attempts to kidnap a Jew were unsuccessful, despite the lure of a beautiful girl.

Ilan Halimi was not so lucky. He did not escape the Islamic homemade concentration camp the Muslim Barbarians had set up. The banality of evil lived in that apartment building.

Apartment dwellers, all Muslims, heard Ilan's screams and cries of torture over a period of three weeks, and yet did not call the cops. The screams must have been loud because the torture was especially atrocious: the thugs cut bits of flesh off the young man. They cut his fingers and ears. They burned him with acid. They poured flammable liquid on him and set him on fire.

Not only did those in the building not go to the police -- they did nothing at all. Worse, many took part in the tortures.

After weeks of systematic and unspeakable cruelty:

On February 11, four days after the abductors stopped communicating with the family, Halimi was found, still alive, not far from a railway line at Sainte-Genevieve-des-Bois, about 15 kilometers south of Bagneux.

He was naked, handcuffed, and bleeding profusely. He was incapable of speaking. His entire body — or “80% of it,” according to police — had been butchered. He died of his wounds on the way to the hospital, just a few minutes after he was discovered. New York Sun here.

Youssouf Fofana, the leader of the Muslim gang of Jew killers, is posting videos from prison, claiming he is a “war trophy” of New York Zionists. The Local (hat tip Atlas readers):

Youssouf Fofana, the leader of a gang known as the Barbarians is suspected of posting anti-Semitic videos online. Fofana was jailed in 2009 for torturing and killing a Jewish man in the Paris suburbs.

“I am Fofana, Youssouf, a young Muslim who has flaws and who has made mistakes,” says the man on the videos posted on YouTube. The man insists he is a “war trophy” taken by New York zionists, le daily L’Est-Eclair reveals.

“It’s unacceptable to see something like that today,” said Emmanuel Gauthrin, an official working for the prison section of the trade union FO, in an interview with Le Monde.

French prosecutors in the town of Troyes have opened a inquiry into how the videos were posted on the web. Le Monde reports that Fofana’s cell was searched and that no recording equipment was found inside.

Fofana, the leader of a gang called the Barbarians, was handed a life sentence in 2009 for the murder of a Jewish man Ilan Halimi.



Muslim Monstrous Murderer of Ilan Halimi is Posting Vids from Prison





The New York Sun



Tale of Torture and Murder Horrifies the Whole of France


By MICHEL GURFINKIEL , Special to the Sun | February 22, 2006


The brutal abduction and murder in Paris of a young Jewish man by a gang of African immigrants called the Barbarians has shocked the whole of France, which once again has been obliged to face its anti-Semitic past.

The murder of ...23-year-old cell-phone salesman, Ilan Halimi, took place over three weeks, during which he was tortured while his captors tried to extract a ransom from his family.

Halimi was lured to his death by a woman he had met in his telephone store. They met ...on ...January 20 in ...Paris's ...suburb...Bagneux, on what he thought was a date.

The next day, his parents received an e-mail telling them their son had been abducted and would be released on payment of about $540,000.

[ Snip ]

...to convince Halimi's parents their son had been kidnapped, the abductors...sent a picture of the young man being threatened by a gun and holding a newspaper to prove...date and time.

More e-mail demands and pictures of Halimi were sent to his parents... The family reported the kidnapping to the Parisian police, who advised them to begin bargaining with their son's captors.

... the abductors agreed to lower their ransom to about $120,000, then...dropped their demand to $60,000. [ Snip ]

Both the judge ...and the French attorney general...said that a principal motive of Halimi's attackers was anti-Semitism. Under French law, racial or religious prejudice or hatred is an aggravating circumstance in a trial for murder.

On February 11, four days after...abductors stopped communicating with the family, Halimi was found, still alive, not far from a railway line at Sainte-Genevieve-des-Bois, about 15 kilometers south of Bagneux.

He was naked, handcuffed, and bleeding profusely. He was incapable of speaking. His entire body - or "80% of it," according to police - had been butchered. He died ...on the way to the hospital...



End excerpt. Story continues here: Tale of Torture and Murder Horrifies the Whole of France








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1 posted on 06/24/2012 11:07:24 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back, every bit as viciously as they are attacked by the muslim pigs?


2 posted on 06/24/2012 11:30:34 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup
Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back...?

"Jews in France number five hundred thousand, and that number is decreasing. Muslims total more than six million..."

When you are outnumbered by over 10 to 1...it does make you circumspect.

Given recent history too (let alone the history of 70 years ago...) they can expect no protection or help by the French government.

3 posted on 06/24/2012 11:51:13 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: rcrngroup

Israeli Jews are so successful in doing that, there are still countless ROP vermin whinging about it..


4 posted on 06/24/2012 11:51:13 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: rcrngroup
rcrngroup wrote: " Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back, every bit as viciously as they are attacked by the muslim pigs?"


What??

Did you miss History class?
Have you never heard of the Six Day War?
Do you know the meaning of "Never Again"?
Have you ever heard of the Jewish Defense League?



5 posted on 06/25/2012 12:10:01 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476
No I did not miss History class (although I doubt that anything favorable to the Jews are taught in any public skool system today in America, and certainly not in Europe).

I am fully aware of Jewish history and the subjects you mentioned. I think however that many Jews, in Western Europe and the U.S. would rather capitulate & pander for peace, rather then fighting back hard. OTOH, we are infected with the same capitulating & pandering & political correctness that is destroying our country (USA) from muzzlim infestation every bit as rapidly as in Western Europe.

6 posted on 06/25/2012 12:32:29 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; ...
History repeats itself in France, but with a modern twist in which the preparatory war is demographic. That is about to change in France to urban warfare, as this summary shows. Europe is now on the cusp of history , politically, economically and socially. It is about to go down the tubes on the skids of Islamofascism, unless Europeans can overcome their liberal fascism to unite against the menace among them. Anyone having stock in Europe should sell it immediately.Liberal fascism ( nationalist socialism) of our modern era has created a continental killing field in Europe.At least one might be placated by the thought that these liberal fascists will be destroyed along with everyone else?
7 posted on 06/25/2012 12:36:15 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: bd476

If you invite a deadly snake into your home you should not be surprised when it acts like a deadly snake.

It is still a deadly snake, even if you delude yourself into thinking it is something else.

This is what waits in store for the USA and all others who have allowed Islam to gain a toehold in their countries.

You cannot live peacefully alongside muslims - sooner or later they kill you.


8 posted on 06/25/2012 12:49:34 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: AnalogReigns

AnalogReigns has it right. The Jews of France are unarmed and unprotected. Even though Sarkozy is Jewish, he didn’t have enough power to protect the Jews or even his own Moslem soldiers from jihadists.

You certainly cannot expect the marxist socialist president Hollande to do anything that would upset his Moslem supporters, would you?

Unless a Jewish Defense League is formed in France, and strikes hard when Jews or their institutions are attacked in the near future, nobody else is going to help them. Then the mass migration to Israel and the US will begin in ernst.

One day France will be “Judenfrei” (Jew Free) like it was under the Vichy French, but the Mosque will be the new Effiel Tower over the dhimmis of Paris.


9 posted on 06/25/2012 12:52:58 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: rcrngroup
rcrngroup wrote: "No I did not miss History class (although I doubt that anything favorable to the Jews are taught in any public skool system today in America, and certainly not in Europe). I am fully aware of Jewish history and the subjects you mentioned. I think however that many Jews, in Western Europe and the U.S. would rather capitulate & pander for peace, rather then fighting back hard. OTOH, we are infected with the same capitulating & pandering & political correctness that is destroying our country (USA) from muzzlim infestation every bit as rapidly as in Western Europe."


When you asked "Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back every bit as viciously as they are attacked by the muslim pigs?" it sounded as if you lacked some historical perspective, or were broad-brushing all Jews, or possibly that you harbored resentment towards Jews. Thanks for the clarification.

10 posted on 06/25/2012 1:36:33 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

“The Obin Report showed a deep infiltration by radical Islam into the vast majority of French schools and a vitriolic hatred for Jews.”

I really wish they would stop using, “radical Islam” to describe Islam. This is nothing radical about it since it is absolutely normal for Islam.


11 posted on 06/25/2012 1:53:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Plus the Muslims know that if Israel was attacked, Israel can hand them their rear ends.


12 posted on 06/25/2012 2:48:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: bd476

In France, First they came for the Jews.

What does that man? It means that Muslims will allow no other religion. They cannot defeat the whole of France so they start with the Jews. When the Jews are defeated they will start with another and another until all people of France are either Muslim , dead or subjigated.

Sweden is also falling.

The Middle east is in turmoil as Muslims are taking control of other countries.

We see it and we ignore it, We will suffer the same fate.

This cult must be beaten back or they will continue to grow strong and those Muslims we see now as Moderates will suddenly jump up and become radical.
There is no such thing as a peace loving Muslim, only sleepers. Do not be fooled.


13 posted on 06/25/2012 3:33:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

At least here in America we “infidels” have guns. Bottom line. That doesn’t mean we’re going to begin stalking members of the Beard & Burka crowd, it just means that this is a consideration for those who seek to destroy us, that’s all. Kind of like Yamamoto’s musing about a rifle behind every blade of grass if the U.S. were invaded (yes, yes, I know, a silent infiltration-invasion is already taking place).

I live in the South. Local muzzies are vewy vewy quiet, as there is a rifle behind every redneck’s genial grin, or so we “infidels” want them to think. Disarmed societies like France & the U.K. have become hellholes for the politically incorrect. I’m glad I live here and the best part about vacation travel is returning here & feeling relatively safe.

It’s as bad for the Jews in France now as it was under Nazi occupation. BTW, more Jews were rounded up for the death camps by French police than by the Gestapo. I’m not Jewish but I know that what happens to the Jews first will happen to the rest of us later. That’s history’s bottom line.


14 posted on 06/25/2012 4:25:27 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: bd476

Please put me on your regular ping list if I am not already! Thanks so much!


15 posted on 06/25/2012 4:32:14 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: bd476
SHARIA IN EUROPE TODAY

WHEN YOU STUDY ISLAM IN EUROPE TODAY, YOU ARE SEEING AMERICA IN 20 YEARS.

WHY? THE ACTIONS BY MUSLIMS IN EUROPE ARE BASED ON SHARIA LAW, THE SAME SHARIA LAW THAT IS BEGINNING TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN AMERICA TODAY. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN TRAFFIC CANNOT MOVE IN lONDON STREETS AS MUSLIMS COMMANDEER THE STREETS TO PRAY—A POLITICAL RESULT BASED ON SHARIA LAW.

ENTIRE AREAS OF EUROPE ARE NO-GO ZONES FOR NON-MUSLIMS, THIS INCLUDES THE POLICE. THESE ARE ISLAMIC ENCLAVES WHERE ONLY MUSLIMS LIVE. THE MUSLIM-ONLY POLICY IS BASED ON SHARIA.

IN ENGLAND AN ANGLICAN BISHOP CALLS FOR THE RULE OF ISLAMIC LAW FOR MUSLIMS. THE BISHOP IS OBEYING SHARIA LAW.

IN THE SCHOOLS ONLY ISLAMIC APPROVED TEXTS CAN BE USED; THIS IS BASED ON SHARIA LAW.

CHRISTIANS MAY NOT SPEAK TO MUSLIMS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY NOR MAY CHRISTIANS HAND OUT LITERATURE. THIS IS A POLITICAL RESULT BASED ON SHARIA LAW ENFORCED BY BRITISH COURTS.

RAPE BY MUSLIMS IS SO PREVALENT IN PARTS OF SWEDEN THAT SWEDEN HAS FORBIDDEN THE POLICE FROM COLLECTING ANY DATA IN THE RAPE INVESTIGATION THAT WOULD POINT TO ISLAM. RAPE IS PART OF ISLAMIC DOCTRINE AS APPLIED TO NON-MUSLIM WOMEN.

IN LONDON, MASS DEMONSTRATIONS BY MUSLIMS CALL FOR THE END OF BRITISH LAW AND SHARIA LAW TO RULE ALL PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF RELIGION. THIS POLITICAL ACTION IS BASED ON SHARIA.

IN SOME ENGLISH HOSPITALS DURING RAMADAN FAST (AN ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS EVENT), NON-MUSLIMS CANNOT EAT WHERE A MUSLIM CAN SEE THEM. THE SUBMISSION OF NON-MUSLIMS TO ISLAMIC PREFERENCES IS BASED ON SHARIA LAW.

AT BRITISH HOSPITALS, MUSLIM WOMEN ARE TREATED ONLY AS SHARIA LAW DEMANDS.

SHARIA IN AMERICA TODAY

HERE ARE CURRENT AND HISTORICAL EVENTS IN AMERICA THAT ARE DRIVEN BY SHARIA LAW:

ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 JIHADISTS ATTACKED AND DESTROYED THE FIORLD TRADE CENTER IN NEW FFIORK. THIS ATROCITY WAS IN COMPLIANCE TO THE DOCTRINE OF JIHAD FOUND IN THE SHARIA LAW. THE ATTACK WAS A POLITICAL ACTION MOTIVATED BY A RELIGIOUS MANDATE FOR ENDLESS JIHAD.

TEXTBOOKS IN AMERICA MUST BE APPROVED BY ISLAMIC COUNCILS. THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SHARIA LAW.

AMERICAN EMPLOYERS AND SCHOOLS ARE MET WITH DEMANDS FOR TIME AND SPACE TO DO ISLAMIC PRAYER. THESE DEMANDS ARE BASED ON SHARIA LAW.

THE AMERICAN BANKING SYSTEM IS BECOMING ISLAMICIZED WITH SHARIA FI NANCING. OUR BANKING SYSTEM IS BECOMING SHARIA COMPLIANT IN FI - NANCIAL LAW, BUT IS IGNORANT ABOUT THE TOTALITY OF SHARIA LAW.

UNIVERSITIES ARE ASKED TO PROVIDE SEXUALLY SEGREGATED SWIMMING POOLS AND OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITIES FOR MUSLIM WOMEN.

HOSPITALS ARE BEING SUED FOR NOT PROVIDING SHARIA COMPLIANT TREATMENT.

NO COURSE AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL USES CRITICAL THINKING REGARDING THE HISTORY AND DOCTRINE OF ISLAM. UNDER SHARIA NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM MAY BE CRITICIZED.

MUSLIM CHARITIES GIVE MONEY TO JIHADISTS (ISLAMIC TERRORISTS), AS PER SHARIA LAW.

MUSLIM FOOT-BATHS ARE BEING INSTALLED IN AIRPORT FACILITIES, PAID FOR BY AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS. THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SHARIA LAW.

AMERICAN PRISONS ARE A STRONGHOLD OF ISLAMIC PROSELYTIZING.

FIORKPLACES ARE BEING MADE ISLAMIC WORSHIP SITES THROUGH SPECIAL ROOMS AND TIME OFF TO PRAY. THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE TO SHARIA LAW.

ISLAMIC REFUGEES BRING ALL OF THEIR WIVES FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL TREATMENT TO AMERICA. AMERICAN AUTHORITIES WILL NOT ACT—EVEN WHEN PRESENTED WITH EVIDENCE. POLYGAMY IS PURE SHARIA.

FIE ARE FI GHTING WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN TO IMPLEMENT CONSTITUTIONS WHOSE FI RST ARTICLE IS THE SUPREMACY OF SHARIA LAW.

WHY DO WE NEED TO KNOW SHARIA?

ISLAMIC SCHOLARS CLAIM: ISLAMIC LAW IS PERFECT, UNIVERSAL AND ETERNAL. THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE TEMPORARY, LIMITED AND WILL PASS AWAY. IT IS THE DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM TO OBEY THE LAWS OF ALLAH, THE SHARIA.

LAWS ARE MAN-MADE; WHILE SHARIA LAW IS SACRED AND COMES FROM THE ONLY LEGITIMATE GOD, ALLAH.

SHARIA: SHARIA IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES FOUND IN THE KORAN AND OTHER ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS⁄POLITICAL TEXTS. THERE ARE NO COMMON PRINCIPLES BETWEEN AMERICAN LAW AND SHARIA.

UNDER SHARIA LAW:

THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF RELIGION
THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH
THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF THOUGHT
THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF ARTISTIC EXPRESSION
THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF THE PRESS
THERE IS NO EQUALITY OF PEOPLES—A NON-MUSLIM, A KAFI R, IS NEVER EQUAL TO A MUSLIM
THERE IS NO EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER SHARIA FOR DIFFERENT CLASSES OF PEOPLE. JUSTICE IS DUALISTIC, WITH ONE SET OF LAWS FOR MUSLIM MALES AND DIFFERENT LAWS FOR WOMEN AND NON-MUSLIMS.
THERE ARE NO EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN
WOMEN CAN BE BEATEN
A NON-MUSLIM CANNOT BEAR ARMS
THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY, SINCE DEMOCRACY MEANS THAT A NON-MUSLIM IS EQUAL TO A MUSLIM
OUR CONSTITUTION IS A MAN-MADE DOCUMENT OF IGNORANCE, JAHILIYAH, THAT MUST SUBMIT TO SHARIA
NON-MUSLIMS ARE DHIMMIS, THIRD-CLASS CITIZENS
ALL GOVERNMENTS MUST BE RULED BY SHARIA LAW
UNLIKE COMMON LAW, SHARIA IS NOT INTERPRETIVE, NOR CAN IT BE CHANGED
THERE IS NO GOLDEN RULE

16 posted on 06/25/2012 4:56:13 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: bd476
france will go down without a fight...
17 posted on 06/25/2012 5:02:23 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

IMO, this country needs to cease and desist allowing them in and allowing their women to give birth here. The more we allow them to gain foothold AS CITIZENS of this country (which they don’t respect anyway, so I dont’ know why it matters), the more we’ll have to take their crap. I have no idea how they come here in such high numbers anyway, and survivie. Are they all on welfare?

N. VA is FULL of them. I feel like a minority as a caucasian American I go out in public in some areas. This country is also going down without a fight.


18 posted on 06/25/2012 5:42:31 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Iron Munro

Following 9/11 the US elected a muslim President.


19 posted on 06/25/2012 5:46:50 AM PDT by onedoug (,)
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To: rcrngroup
The Congress of the French branch of the Muslim Brotherhood (UOIF) will take place in the city of Le Bourget, near Paris, from April 6-9. Over 100,000 participants are expected.

T-a-r-g-e-t o-p-p-o-r-t-u-n-i-t-y.

At that rate, they might get somewhere within the next decade or so.

20 posted on 06/25/2012 6:44:41 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: bd476
Where's the picture of the crying Frenchman when the nazis marched into Paris?

History does repeat itself no matter who is involved.

FMCDH(BITS)

21 posted on 06/25/2012 6:45:21 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: AnalogReigns
When you are outnumbered by over 10 to 1...it does make you circumspect.M.i>

Lev 26:7-8.

22 posted on 06/25/2012 6:49:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Perhaps, beginning, now, these groups need to be infiltrated with false converts.


23 posted on 06/25/2012 6:53:38 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: elcid1970

The French can have guns. A lot of ‘em are enthusiastic hunters. I think they can even have “evil black guns.” Dunno ‘bout handguns, though.


24 posted on 06/25/2012 7:08:33 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: bd476

BFLR


25 posted on 06/25/2012 8:06:25 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: bd476
We're going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.
26 posted on 06/25/2012 8:08:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rcrngroup
Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back, every bit as viciously as they are attacked by the muslim pigs?

You mean kidnapping and torturing Muslim students to death? Shooting Muslim children in the head? Blowing up Muslim kindergarten schools? Is that what you mean? If not, what then?

27 posted on 06/25/2012 8:11:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Little Ray

Well....even in the old Soviet Union, vetted citizens could own double barrel shotguns and in many European countries, guns can be `owned’ but not kept at home but in hunting club armories. Heck, I have two Husqvarna shotguns from Sweden, where it’s become so difficult to own most firearms that weary citizens are turning them in to the government which then resells them to foreign buyers, lucky me.

Like the French, the Brits, Germans, & Italians can own certain kinds of guns, but no `ugly guns’ and certainly no handguns.

Being permitted the ownership of firearms is not the issue. The issue is the culture and the legal climate which the culture creates. And American culture generally approves of people arming themselves for their own defense, and the laws generally affirm the individual right of self defense including the use of dealy force. “Stand your ground” laws have been made controversial by recent events, but they’re not going away. Concealed carry permits are available in a majority of states.

Not so in the Eurozone, where the use of deadly force in self defense is usually prosecuted and society looks down on gun wielding citizens as dangerous `cowboys’ (a disparaging term over there). They prefer a slavish reliance on police authority.

If muzzies in France had reason to fear that the Jews they were stalking were armed and able to defend themselves, then the situation might at least be no worse there than here.


28 posted on 06/25/2012 8:18:32 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: bd476

And to think our country has tacitly supported these thugs for the past 15 years, we still haven’t learned our lessons after 9/11 and after watching Americans being beheaded on the internet.


29 posted on 06/25/2012 8:22:00 AM PDT by PT57A
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To: elcid1970

That is a pity. I always thought the French (at least the rural French) would have what took to save their country. I guess not.


30 posted on 06/25/2012 9:15:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: elcid1970

BTW: where do you buy these surrendered weapons? Is there a site? I’m always looking for cool C&R type stuff!


31 posted on 06/25/2012 9:46:31 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: onedoug

“Following 9/11 the US elected a muslim President.”

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And one with a name almost exactly the same as the scum mastermind of the murders themselves.

...still trying to wrap my head around that.....


32 posted on 06/25/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: Candor7

” Europe is now on the cusp of history , politically, economically and socially. It is about to go down the tubes on the skids of Islamofascism, unless Europeans can overcome their liberal fascism to unite against the menace among them. “

And our SCOTUS didn’t uphold SB1070, in AZ, so we aren’t far behind.


33 posted on 06/25/2012 9:54:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Candor7; bd476

Isn’t this Islam pretty much everywhere?

If MSM ever reported it, wouldn’t we be reading such things in North America? —

“Nobody dares to say that dozens of young French Muslims go every year to jihadi training camps and follow exactly the same course as Mohamed Merah. How many of them are likely to act at one time or another?

“Nobody dares to say that more than thirty mosques all over the country broadcast incendiary remarks which, according to Boubakeur, have « nothing to do with the teachings of Islam, » and that the same remarks are received daily on television by tens of thousands of Muslims in France through the Arabic version of Al Jazeera. How many Muslims are being indoctrinated with the same ideas as Mohamed Merah and will start to share his hatred of Jews and the West ?”


34 posted on 06/25/2012 12:37:29 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Little Ray

For Swedish hunting guns, go to gunbroker.com and put in keyword “Husqvarna”. There are usually shotguns, revolvers & a few rifles. Might keyword “Swedish Mauser” for military rifles.

Lots of neat stuff on gunbroker.com. FWIW, I bought these shotguns from a retired Navy chief who traveled to Sweden a lot. Said the only way to hunt there was join a govt run hunting club and rent a govt owned hunting gun. Guns at home are verboten now. Mustn’t upset the Muslims.


35 posted on 06/25/2012 1:32:00 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: elcid1970

Sounds like fun! Thank you!


36 posted on 06/25/2012 2:17:14 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: LibsRJerks
ya got that right...
37 posted on 06/25/2012 2:49:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: elcid1970
Like the French, the Brits, Germans, & Italians can own certain kinds of guns, but no `ugly guns’ and certainly no handguns.

Every German hunter I know owns at least one handgun - it's required for the coup de grace and self-protection (if necessary). Also, many sports shooters own handguns. Carrying in public is very, very limited, though.

Take a virtual tour of an indoor shooting range and gun shop in Ulm:

http://www.mszu.de/

It's open to the public; you can even rent a gun and blast away to your heart's content. :-)

38 posted on 06/26/2012 7:27:39 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Moltke

I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980’s and remember the requirements to obtain a Jagdschein or Waffenschein - very difficult. US personnel were exempt from FRG weapons laws & registered their guns with the provost marshal. No longer the case. Last I heard in the Army was if you had orders for Germany to just leave your guns at home.

It’s still true that the 2nd Amendment posits an entirely different relationship between US citizens & government than anywhere else, Switzerland excepted. Burden of proof for denying the right to bear arms is on the government here. I used to read DWJ & other German gun magazines. There was a column called “Ihr gutes Recht” but reading it sounded like gun rights advocates in Germany were fighting a losing battle.

I do remember visiting the Frankonia-Jagd store in Darmstadt & the main store in Wurzburg. Lots of neat stuff.


39 posted on 06/26/2012 8:25:00 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: Travis McGee; rcrngroup; Squantos
Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back, every bit as viciously as they are attacked by the muslim pigs?

You mean kidnapping and torturing Muslim students to death? Shooting Muslim children in the head? Blowing up Muslim kindergarten schools? Is that what you mean? If not, what then?

--Israel wil not be the first to introduce the use of nuclear weapons in the Mideast. But in the event of another Holocaust, Israel will pull down the pliiars of the Temple of Humanity.

--Israeli nuclear policy, as described by author Sy Hersh, The Samson Option. See also Project Daniel.

But why would the Israelis pursue such a policy?

Shortly after the 1967 Six-Day War, the Soviets placed a Echo-II class submarine [K-172] equipped with nuclear-armed *Sunburn* cruise missiles -variously reported as from three to eight- within range of Israel, with orders to launch in the event of an Israeli atrtack on Damascus. The Russian sub successfully evaded the US Sixth Fleet forces in the area and SOSUS sub detection net and reached its launch position, awaiting the launch signal being monitored by the USS Liberty sunk by the Israelis, who were in communication with President Johnson, who shortly thereafter declined to run for a a second term as president.

And here we are there again....

Mr. Offley also discovered another disturbing item during his interviews with former Soviet Navy officials. During the Six Day War, the Soviet command had dispatched an Echo-II class nuclear sub (K-172) to the Mediterranean. The K-172 commander, Captain Nikolai Shashkov, described his orders as "to be ready to make a rocket strike on the coast of Israel." K-172 was armed with eight SS-N-3 Shaddock cruise missiles each armed with a 300-kiloton nuclear warhead. Upon receipt of a coded signal from Soviet Navy headquarters in Moscow, Shashkov was to surface the K-172 and and fire his eight missiles at Israel. The trigger point, Shashkov explained, was if Israel or its Western allies invaded Syria. In the end, the fatal order never arrived and K-172 ended its patrol and headed home. Captain Shashkov has testified that to his amazement upon returning to port, Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev was on the docking pier to greet the K-172.

40 posted on 06/26/2012 10:52:00 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Travis McGee; rcrngroup; Squantos
Why don’t Jews ever want to fight back, every bit as viciously as they are attacked by the muslim pigs?

You mean kidnapping and torturing Muslim students to death? Shooting Muslim children in the head? Blowing up Muslim kindergarten schools? Is that what you mean? If not, what then?

--Israel wil not be the first to introduce the use of nuclear weapons in the Mideast. But in the event of another Holocaust, Israel will pull down the pillars of the Temple of Humanity.

--Israeli nuclear policy, as described by author Sy Hersh, The Samson Option. See also Project Daniel.

But why would the Israelis pursue such a policy?

Shortly after the 1967 Six-Day War, the Soviets placed a Echo-II class submarine [K-172] equipped with nuclear-armed *Sunburn* cruise missiles -variously reported as from three to eight- within range of Israel, with orders to launch in the event of an Israeli atrtack on Damascus. The Russian sub successfully evaded the US Sixth Fleet forces in the area and SOSUS sub detection net and reached its launch position, awaiting the launch signal being monitored by the USS Liberty sunk by the Israelis, who were in communication with President Johnson, who shortly thereafter declined to run for a a second term as president.

And here we are there again....

Mr. Offley also discovered another disturbing item during his interviews with former Soviet Navy officials. During the Six Day War, the Soviet command had dispatched an Echo-II class nuclear sub (K-172) to the Mediterranean. The K-172 commander, Captain Nikolai Shashkov, described his orders as "to be ready to make a rocket strike on the coast of Israel." K-172 was armed with eight SS-N-3 Shaddock cruise missiles each armed with a 300-kiloton nuclear warhead. Upon receipt of a coded signal from Soviet Navy headquarters in Moscow, Shashkov was to surface the K-172 and and fire his eight missiles at Israel. The trigger point, Shashkov explained, was if Israel or its Western allies invaded Syria. In the end, the fatal order never arrived and K-172 ended its patrol and headed home. Captain Shashkov has testified that to his amazement upon returning to port, Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev was on the docking pier to greet the K-172.

41 posted on 06/26/2012 10:52:22 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: elcid1970

Yep, that’s pretty much all correct. Getting a Jagdschein is a hell of a lot more difficult in Germany than the US. And so is getting a driving license... So, you just have to try harder. ;-)

Unless I’m mistaken a Waffenschein is like a carry license. There’s also a Waffenbesitzkarte, which is a license to own long and short weapons. Much easier to obtain (of age/no criminal convictions/member of a shooting club or guild - Schützenverein, every little village has one).

Sadly the US did not impose something like the 2nd Amendment on Germany after WWII. That IMHO being the real major difference.

Another short comment on your earlier post: It’s not necessarily true that killing someone in self defense will get you prosecuted (ok, only in the UK). If it was justified (even using “excessive force” - Notwehrexzess) you’re not going to jail over it. If you shoot someone in the back who’s running away from you, well, that’ll get you in trouble pretty much everywhere.


42 posted on 06/26/2012 12:08:19 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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