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Death of the living Constitution
Fox ^ | 6/23/12 | Chuck DeVore

Posted on 06/23/2012 3:27:35 PM PDT by workerbee

The old Constitution, lifeless, irrelevant and inconvenient to its progressive critics, is having a good run of late at the expense of the living Constitution.

Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt for withholding information on his Mexican gunrunning operation, a de facto act of war on our southern neighbor, with Fast and Furious itself a deliberate act of war against the Second Amendment.

ObamaCare verging on voiding.

The Founders would be pleased.

They built the Constitution as a bulwark against Man’s frailties, agreeing with Machiavelli that both leaders and the people are wicked and with Montesquieu that the defense against wickedness in government is a separation of powers, with each imperfect branch set against its rival in a base balance.

The Constitution’s purpose is to provide form for Jefferson’s ideal: that the aim of government on this fallen orb is liberty—to allow self-evident truths to be achieved in practice with government’s object to be the securing of its citizens’ Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness.

Lincoln believed, and a great war was fought, over whether that promise of liberty, rightly understood, extended to all Americans. It did and it does.

A few decades later, some very smart academics with some very advanced political science theories from Germany considered the American Constitution and found it lacking, archaic.

Hegelianism devalued the Founders as mere reflections of their time, historically conditioned by obsolete thought with little of relevance to modern conditions. The Constitution must be “living,” unfixed and formless, were it to have relevance to industrial Man.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; constitution; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; foundingfathers; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; liberals; murdergate; obama

1 posted on 06/23/2012 3:27:47 PM PDT by workerbee
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To: workerbee

“...Lincoln believed, and a great war was fought, over whether that promise of liberty, rightly understood, extended to all Americans...”
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Oh, please...give me a break...


2 posted on 06/23/2012 3:40:51 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I was kind of expecting someone to bring that up. LOL


3 posted on 06/23/2012 3:45:43 PM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: workerbee

glad to oblige...
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trick question - - -> “When did Lincoln end slavery in his home state of Illinois?”


4 posted on 06/23/2012 4:05:36 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Well, I’m no scholar on the question, but as I understand it, the Emancipation Proc actually listed certain states that were “slavery free.” I’ll guess Illinois was not one..?


5 posted on 06/23/2012 4:14:09 PM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: workerbee

Now if someone would get up on their hind legs and slap the L out of all those insisting that anyone and everyone out to the fifth cousin of anyone who visited the US can run for president.

A natural born citizen is born on US soil of citizen parents. There is no other definition.


6 posted on 06/23/2012 4:19:37 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse (RNC) will learn to sing)
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To: Repeal The 17th

If I’m not mistaken, the Civil War was fought to preserve the Union... and slavery became an issue as the war went on. The Republican party was created as the party for ending slavery... still is. I don’t really understand what Fox is trying to say here between the lines.


7 posted on 06/23/2012 4:20:49 PM PDT by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: workerbee

Only slaves in the ten seceding states were freed. It did not outlaw slavery or make freed slaves citizens.


8 posted on 06/23/2012 4:28:33 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: workerbee; Snow Eagle
“...When did Lincoln end slavery in his home state of Illinois...?
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He never did.
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The preliminary version of the emancipation proclamation in September 1862 ordered the emancipation of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863.

None of them returned.

The final proclamation of January 1863 applied to any of the Confederate States except where the union had already regained control.

Lee surrendered at Appomattox in April 9, 1865.

Lincoln was killed on April 15, 1865.

Slavery was not illegal in the U.S. until passage of the 13th amendment in December 1865.
9 posted on 06/23/2012 4:44:11 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: jjotto

So after the war, slavery was made legal again, right?


10 posted on 06/23/2012 4:54:48 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

No. It took some time to settle matters after the surrender and get enough states to ratify the 13th Amendment. During the war, slavery was still legal in Confederate areas controlled by the Union.


11 posted on 06/23/2012 4:59:42 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Repeal The 17th

My thoughts as well, although I am divided over whether a good articular should be sullied by such a self-destructive historic myth.

Lincoln’s war was about imperial domination the very opposite of liberty & self-government not slavery. Those who lionize him do the cause a disservice.


12 posted on 06/23/2012 5:12:08 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

“...a good articular should be sullied by such a self-destructive historic myth...”
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yes


13 posted on 06/23/2012 5:29:20 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: workerbee

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,...but some communists are more equal than we are. What in the world have we become?


14 posted on 06/23/2012 5:39:48 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Except that slavery still existed in so called “union states” before and after the war.


15 posted on 06/23/2012 5:52:11 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Snow Eagle

Your right about that, it really made no sense to mention Lincoln in there and it just muddied the water with a historically inaccurate & inflammatory references.

Lincoln was no more interested in liberty than he was in the southern right to self-government. He made this abundantly clear in his repeated statements on the subject to his “countrymen” in explaining his war.


16 posted on 06/23/2012 6:01:32 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Repeal The 17th

Why are people under this delusion that Lincoln was a good President ? He cut through the constitution like a hot knife through butter. Probably the 2nd most dangerous Presidency in American history...


17 posted on 06/23/2012 6:45:33 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: driftless2

For those who were out sick the day 10th grade American history class covered slavery, check out the Thirteenth Amendment.


18 posted on 06/23/2012 9:15:54 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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