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MILLER: Backdoor gun ban
The Washington Times ^ | 21 June, 2012 | Emily Miller

Posted on 06/22/2012 3:48:39 AM PDT by marktwain

Gun grabbers need to be sneaky to accomplish their goals. Their latest trick is to convince anti-gun states to mandate that handguns be microstamp-ready. That means the weapon’s firing pin is redesigned to imprint a code on the primer so that, in theory, it will give law enforcement the ability to identify a specific gun from shell casings left at a crime scene. Like most left-wing endeavors, this one isn’t going to work.

That didn’t stop the New York State Assembly on Tuesday from passing a microstamping bill backed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. The legislation, which passed 85 to 60, specifically says guns manufactured in New York or delivered to a dealer after January 2014 have to produce a unique alpha-numeric marker on at least two locations of each spent cartridge that identifies the make, model and serial number. Fortunately, the state Senate blocked the bill on the last day of this session on Thursday, as it has done in four previous sessions.

Mr. Bloomberg and Mr. Cuomo don’t care about the negative impact of their proposal, which they estimate to be $12 per pistol. Manufacturers stuck with the actual duty of implementing the legislation put the cost at hundreds of dollars per gun. “We don’t know how to do microscopic etching. The equipment to do it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, and we would also need a scanning electron microscope to verify it’s on the pin,” said Jeff Reh, general counsel for Beretta USA. “We wouldn’t invest a half-million dollars to sell guns in one state.”

A spokesman for Remington Arms said if it had to add microstamping to all its pistols, it would “reconsider its relationship with New York and certainly the manufacturing of our handguns in the state.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; emilymiller; microstamping; ny
Microstamping has no utility without complete gun registration and the absence of gun theft. As gun registration is politically impossible and repugnant to the electorate, and gun theft is impossible to stop, microstamping is only another anti-freedom ploy designed to push registration.

Gun registration is the effective equivalent of gun confiscation.

1 posted on 06/22/2012 3:48:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

How long would it take any idiot with a file to destroy the micro-stamp.


2 posted on 06/22/2012 3:57:19 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

A couple of swipes with a fine file should do the trick.


3 posted on 06/22/2012 4:04:56 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Venturer

I’m sure the spare parts industry will not be buying into the one state micro stamping business. So, just buy a spare firing pin and it’s up yours NY. Fortunately the NY Senate has more sense so far and killed a bad bill.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 4:11:06 AM PDT by wita
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To: marktwain

I realize manufacturers have a long history in New York and other New England states, but they should really smell the sulpher in the air up there and try to get out. I think it’s no surprise when Colt decided to build a new facility, it isn’t anywhere near New York..........It’s in Florida.


5 posted on 06/22/2012 4:18:21 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: marktwain
Gun registration is the effective equivalent of gun confiscation.

Yep ask those NYC citizens who registered their semiauto rifles in NYC in 1976 with the pledge that "It would never be used for confiscation." Fast forward to 1991 when NYC passed a law that all registered semiautos had to be gotten rid of out of state, rendered inoperable by a gunsmith with a certification to that effect or turned in to the police by a specific date. Most NYers complied like the government worshipping sheep that they are. A few did not (about 40) The police (those stalwart champions of the Bill of Rights) raided all 40+. Of the 40+ all but a handfull were paperwork snafus ie gun had been sold or transferred out of state (government messes up your paperwork get a raid from the gun gestapo). A little over 1/2 a dozen were actually in violation of NYC's unconstitutional law. They were arrested and their guns confiscated. Not many? How many violations of the Bill of Rights does it take to define a tyranny?

6 posted on 06/22/2012 4:21:15 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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New York, how many crimes have been solved with your ballistic database and at what cost. Maryland has stated that they have no crimes solved with their database. Someone is a great salesman. The people that vote for this stuff know nothing about firearms. It is more about control.
7 posted on 06/22/2012 4:33:12 AM PDT by DirtyDoc (Viet Nam 1967.)
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To: marktwain

Microstamping has only one real purpose, to run the cost of a gun higher than people can pay.


8 posted on 06/22/2012 4:53:32 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: MachIV

Colt decided to build a new facility, it isn’t anywhere near New York..........It’s in Florida

Kel-Tec is also built in Florida.


9 posted on 06/22/2012 4:58:21 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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To: marktwain

Or spare parts takes just a few minutes to change out a fireing pin. Or hit the tip with a file.


10 posted on 06/22/2012 5:18:49 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

But look how successful gun control has been?

Where the tightest gun control is, Chicago, South Central LA, and NYC, all gun crime free now,,, right? Better on average than the rest of the country,,,right?


11 posted on 06/22/2012 5:21:28 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: marktwain

Police your brass.


12 posted on 06/22/2012 5:36:06 AM PDT by moovova
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To: marktwain

The left continues to prove its methods are untrustworthy and loaded with future intentions/motivations. I trust nothing they advocate. If they claimed breathing air was good, I would be suspect of their intentions.


13 posted on 06/22/2012 5:37:45 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: from occupied ga

Years ago I read of one of the New Yorkers who “failed” to turn in his semiautos. Seems he had moved to Idaho or Montana less than a year prior to the confiscation edict, so the notice was forwarded to his new home. Flush with exultation at living in comparative freedom in his new home, he sent back a letter telling the NY authorities what they could go do. (Which apparently did include the taunt “You want ‘em? Come and get ‘em!”)

A few weeks later he got a call from his parents that his former home had been stormed by the NY police.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 5:54:02 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: LevinFan

If I may respectfully add another:

It gives the police a per se violation upon which to affect an arrest - on YOU, an otherwise lawful gun-owner. “Well...it the LAW.” they will say.

The legislation comes from the same mindspring that wanted to put nano-markers in ammo.


15 posted on 06/22/2012 5:56:30 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: M1903A1

Microstamping has already been defeated by an ingenious inventor;

http://www.sherwoodakuna.com/brasscatcher.htm


16 posted on 06/22/2012 6:00:03 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: riverrunner
Or spare parts takes just a few minutes to change out a fireing pin. Or hit the tip with a file.

Part of the legislation makes it a felony to mess with the microstamping.

So lets say your wife or girlfriend decides she's pissed off at you, and gets an order of protection. The cops confiscate your firearms. They see that you don't have a microstamped firing pin in a gun whose serial number indicates it was made for microstamping. Off to prison you go. Same deal if it just wore down to unreadability because you spent a lot of time on the range.

The real purpose of microstamping is to provide yet another way to screw the gun owner whenever they want to.

17 posted on 06/22/2012 6:11:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: marktwain

If the gunmakers would take a stand, this would end overnight.

Simply refuse to service or sell to any governmental agencies in states where such draconian laws are passed, ala Ronnie Barrett in California.

If manufacturers are currently enjoying record sales, now would be the time to do it to minimize the damage to their bottom line as much as possible.

If the local SWAT teams can’t get the shiniest new toys, they’d turn up the pressure on their legislatures to do something.


18 posted on 06/22/2012 6:17:35 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: M1903A1
A few weeks later he got a call from his parents that his former home had been stormed by the NY police.

Thanks for the info. that fits with what I read about the NYC gun gestapo's response at the time.

19 posted on 06/22/2012 6:39:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain

It seems to me that there’s a fair case to be made that this interferes with interstate commerce - one or a few states demanding something from manufacturers that, due to the nature of efficient manufacturing, effectively mandates that “something” in all states. I don’t think that NY or any other state has the authority to effectively mandate ANYTHING in another state, especially when such increases costs for those (consumers) who have no connection with NY, et al. Such commerce-damaging legislation was the impetus behind the junking of the Articles of Confederation and the adoption of the Constitution.

C’mon, any Commerce Clause experts out there who care to comment?


20 posted on 06/22/2012 6:44:38 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Venturer

***How long would it take any idiot with a file to destroy the micro-stamp.***

Idiots use files. Smart people use emery cloth or valve lapping compound.

Disassemble. Take the firing pin and spin the tip on a piece of fine emery cloth. Reassemble. Done.


21 posted on 06/22/2012 7:28:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

Just use a revolver.


22 posted on 06/22/2012 7:32:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: marktwain

Pick up some various .45 brass from a range session or two. Then use a .45 revolver and throw out a handful of range
brass. That should keep em busy for a while...

Or just steal a gun and use it...

Or get a spare firing pin, do the crime, and then put the original firing pin back in. It wasn’t me...

These people are idiots


23 posted on 06/22/2012 8:27:46 AM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
If the local SWAT teams can’t get the shiniest new toys, they’d turn up the pressure on their legislatures to do something.

What makes you think they wouldn't just exempt themselves from the law, the same way they do with most other laws?



24 posted on 06/22/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

It’s not a matter of the law. It’s a matter of free enterprise; whether or not companies are willing to sell to them or not.

Gun companies should adopt a policy of not selling or servicing municipalities within gun hostile states that pass ridiculous laws that increase manufacturing costs and eliminate markets by making their products illegal.

When the withdrawal of gun makers from these markets actually started making things difficult for law enforcement to get the “tools” they think they need, they’d ask the legislatures to do something. And, it’s not like a government in NY can pass a law that a gun manufacturer in another state has to do business with them.

In other words, all gun manufacturers should give the Barrett treatment to those states who try to destroy their business: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/836082/posts

I’d be happy starting with NY, CA, and IL.


25 posted on 06/22/2012 12:02:41 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: marktwain
Many people have already documented the myriad of ways such foolish legislation might be defeated and also made note of the fact that micro-stamping fails to create a reliably readable impression on a significant number of shell cases. And also: that a large number of gun crimes involve revolvers.

But it is important to remember, as with all gun laws, the purpose is not to stop crime, but to eliminate guns.

The object of gun control is never the criminal, my friends: it is you.

Not a member? Please become one.

Not registered to vote. Please do it. NOW.

Thank you.

26 posted on 06/22/2012 12:14:37 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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