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To: Tublecane

>> What I do have the right to tell you, being part of the body politic, is that you don’t get other people to help you. That’s as far as I go.<<

Why does that strawman keep getting trotted out? No one has suggested that society or any other person should be compelled to assist in suicide? The closest is when I said a doctor could do so if he/she decides to do so in good conscience.


24 posted on 06/21/2012 4:41:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Guns Walked -- People Died -- Holder Lied -- Obama Golfed (thanks, Secret Agent Man))
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To: freedumb2003

“Why does that strawman keep getting trotted out? No one has suggested that society or any other person should be compelled to assist in suicide?”

You can’t be unaware that that’s what the “right to die” movement is mostly about. It wouldn’t be such a hot issue if it was all about saving money by not sending cops to stop suicide attempts. Even though there are laws against suicide, most deniers of the right to kill yourself figure they can’t stop people if they’re mind’s set on it. So they don’t waste their time arguing about it, except perhaps as an intellectual exercise. Which is what we’re doing here, really, but the only reason I care to respond is that there is a real life group pushing for real life murder (so long as the murderee consents).

Maybe no one on this thread said there’s a right to assisted suicide, but I don’t care. If FR didn’t include arguing with people who aren’t here, about 5% of posts would remain.

“The closest is when I said a doctor could do so if he/she decides to do so in good conscience.”

I don’t care, again, whether or not you made the argument. I can argue against it if I want without regard to you. Imagine if, for instance, you said “I’m against handgun bans” and I said “I’m all for handgun ownership, but I don’t think private individuals should own tanks or surface to air missles.” Would it matter that you hadn’t defended the private ownership of tanks? No. I can make the point regardless.


31 posted on 06/21/2012 5:02:52 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: freedumb2003

“Why does that strawman keep getting trotted out?”

By the way, in case I wasn’t clear enough, just because something doesn’t apply to you, in particular, does not mean it is a strawman. It just doesn’t apply to you, is all. There is a movement out there to legalize euthanasia, and it goes under the banner of “right to die.” You must be aware of its existence.


32 posted on 06/21/2012 5:06:30 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: freedumb2003
Why does that strawman keep getting trotted out? No one has suggested that society or any other person should be compelled to assist in suicide? The closest is when I said a doctor could do so if he/she decides to do so in good conscience.

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Then why did you respond to this thread at all? None of these examples apply to your contentions at all, since they are unable to take their own lives.

It is you who have raised the "straw man".

33 posted on 06/21/2012 5:12:18 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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