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Polls: Public opinion on George Zimmerman shifting(FL)
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | 17 June, 2012 | NA

Posted on 06/18/2012 7:23:57 AM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 06/18/2012 8:22:06 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

SANFORD, Fla. For weeks, the death of Trayvon Martin, the investigations it launched and the civil rights rallies it spurred were the most important news stories in the country, according to pollsters.

At least six news organizations or polling companies did surveys. What they documented, in general, was that people were fascinated and outraged by the Feb. 26 death of the unarmed 17-year-old and angry at the shooter, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman.


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The question is, why was it made such a huge news story? The arrest of Mrs. Zimmerman may backfire on the prosecutor.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 7:24:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
This whole article reads as a tactic admission by the leftmedia that their propaganda campaign was less effective than they had hoped.

Florida Freeper


2 posted on 06/18/2012 7:28:33 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain

wow, and this after the guy revealed himself to be less than 100% truthful with the bail flap.

Not good for the Obama team.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 7:28:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marktwain
Yeah, let's just dispense with the cost of trials and commission public opinion polls to decide these things. < / sarcasm >
4 posted on 06/18/2012 7:29:17 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: marktwain

He was just a child buying skittles and iced tea, yeah right.
Read on.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/


5 posted on 06/18/2012 7:29:36 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: marktwain
“I think the images bear out it’s a pretty even battle, in terms of body size and mass,” Irby said. “But you know, Skittles versus a gun, there’s no fairness in that alignment.”

Only a Urnalist would continue to flog that mule at this point in the game.

6 posted on 06/18/2012 7:30:34 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Joe Brower

Skittles and iced tea... Cooking up some “lean.... Purple drank” perhaps?


7 posted on 06/18/2012 7:31:27 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia. 2016 starts today!)
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To: marktwain
The defense only needs to do one thing i.e. call Alan Dershowitz as a witness:

"You're widely recognized as one of America's top legal experts?"

"Yes"

"And you expressed an opinion on this case in public media?"

"Yes"

"And the general thrust of this opinion was?"

That the prosecutor had no case at all and was basically out to lunch."

"And the prosecutor's reaction to that was?"

"She threatened to sue Harvard University...."

You get the idea. This lunatic prosecutor needs to be flipping burgers next to Mike Nifong at the golden arches.

8 posted on 06/18/2012 7:32:02 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: marktwain
The arrest of Mrs. Zimmerman may backfire on the prosecutor.
I find it hard to believe that the prosecutor hasn’t known all along that she was going to lose the case. I suspect she has been offered some reward if she goes to court, anyway. Watch out for her making some huge, sudden career jump after Zimmerman will have been acquitted.
9 posted on 06/18/2012 7:33:16 AM PDT by cartan
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To: marktwain
They understand, in a way that whites do not, what racial profiling is and how dangerous it can be, he said.

Shows a real lack of walking in the other man's shoes.

White people get profiled, harassed and feel danger a lot. White people are just not allowed to speak of it.

10 posted on 06/18/2012 7:33:47 AM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: cartan

They arrested Mrs. Zimmerman to force Mr. Zimmerman to plead guilty to something.

They are trying to save their careers by twisting Mr. Zimmerman’s arm.


11 posted on 06/18/2012 7:37:35 AM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: sweetiepiezer

It wasn’t Skittles this thug was reigning down on Zimmerman. It does no good to have a gun if you are going to allow a punk to beat you to death.


12 posted on 06/18/2012 7:38:08 AM PDT by ontap
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To: marktwain

If someone wants to end profiling they should ask what it is about their behavior that makes other people profile them.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 7:42:21 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain
The question is why is ANYONE concerned about what a poll says about this. Isn't it supposed to be about truth and justice?

The media is completely out of control.

14 posted on 06/18/2012 7:43:53 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: marktwain

“This was kind of clarion call that we need some change, some real change in regard to profiling,” he said.

********

Yeah, we obviously need more of it. If some cop had stopped trayvon on the basis that a young, black, hooded male wandering around in the early hours is likely up to no good this entire incident could’ve been avoided.

Were it not for political correctness, Trayvon would have been safe and comfy in the back of a police car rather than getting shot for being dumb enough to bring a bag of skittles to a gun fight.


15 posted on 06/18/2012 7:45:32 AM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: cartan

The only jumps prosecutors make after losing signature cases like this is into the toilet. Ask Marsha Clark & that Nifong guy.

Losing this case will be a career buster. If they promised her anything it’s illusory; she is being sacrificed.


16 posted on 06/18/2012 7:48:22 AM PDT by henkster (Why should I care? Why should I care?)
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To: cartan

Corey is the one who is depraved.


17 posted on 06/18/2012 7:48:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: skeeter

“The media is completely out of control.”

Nah. JUst lots of revolutionaries doing
the-end-justifies-the-means routine.

IMHO


18 posted on 06/18/2012 7:48:53 AM PDT by ripley
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To: marktwain
“I think the images bear out it’s a pretty even battle, in terms of body size and mass,” Irby said.

Did you see the pictures of the injuries, you stupid jackass, or are you talking out of your but.

“But you know, Skittles versus a gun, there’s no fairness in that alignment.”

No. It was fists being thrown MMA style versus a gun that remained holstered while Skittles pounded him into the pavement.

19 posted on 06/18/2012 7:50:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain
“This story had so many elements that it just kept percolating for a while,” said Michael Remez, a Pew spokesman, “questions of race … the adequacy of the police probe.”

Both of which have been put to rest no thanks to your ilk.

20 posted on 06/18/2012 7:52:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
If someone wants to end profiling they should ask what it is about their behavior that makes other people profile them.

Exactly correct.

The blacks scream about racism yet time and time again behave in such a way that practicing racism is the only safe move for whites.

Would you (as a white person) feel safe when surrounded by blacks? I don't anymore. Between the Martin attack and the flash mobs beating white people I won't even go into black majority areas anymore (unless heavily armed and required to be there)

obama and the thugs have set race relations back over 50 years.

21 posted on 06/18/2012 8:01:02 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: marktwain

It brought out the stealth leftists at FR, who couldn’t seem to help blowing their cover on this issue.


22 posted on 06/18/2012 8:03:01 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The media doing a story on the effectiveness of the media’s manipulation of the public?


23 posted on 06/18/2012 8:05:08 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: donna

They are trying to save their careers by twisting Mr. Zimmerman’s arm.


This whole case is an exercise in social divide and conquer Marxist/fascist propaganda via race hate and intimidation. This has nothing to do with justice. It is a political trial right out of the Soviet Union.

If the whitey public polls don’t improve, they are going to have dig up George’s grandparents and drag their bones through the public. Surely some family member has done something they and use to demonize the ‘white’ raaaacis Zimmerman clan.

It was bad enough arresting George’s wife and tossing Zimmerman back in jail. But when I read the FBI was out drumming up smears on Zimmerman through interviewing everyone who knows him, trying to find racial political incorrectness on the guy, that made me sick.

Corie going after a Havard lawyer for defending Zimmerman against the lies of the proesecution and media was as unAmerican as it gets. When this is over, she needs to lose her right to practice law and her cases involving self defense need to be revisited. The woman is a walking, talking disaster to justice.


24 posted on 06/18/2012 8:06:48 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marktwain

as always the Orlando Sentinal is a bit late to the party.

A few MONTHS late.


25 posted on 06/18/2012 8:11:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Actually, tbe guy’s wife was revealed to be either less than 100% truthful about their finances...or not competent as to knowing assets being provided by the public for Georges defence counted the same for certain court paperwkrk as money they had had all along.

As people have thought about that, it has produced yet another black eye for team TrayDmark. Going after the wife hasn’t played well.


26 posted on 06/18/2012 8:21:12 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: marktwain

Good thing NONE of those 7 young black men gunned down in Chicago this weekend looked like Obama’s son! WHEW!


27 posted on 06/18/2012 8:28:00 AM PDT by montag813 (Stop the Obama Amnesty. www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: marktwain
On Tuesday, Shellie Zimmerman was arrested, and she was charged with perjury. Those things, Irby said, will likely cause public opinion to shift again, this time against Zimmerman.

Which was the prosecution's plan after all.

28 posted on 06/18/2012 8:34:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: gzzimlich
>"Were it not for political correctness, Trayvon would have been safe and comfy in the back of a police car rather than getting shot for being dumb enough to bring a bag of skittles to a gun fight."

Good one!

29 posted on 06/18/2012 8:36:01 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: marktwain
Kenny Irby, a faculty member at The Poynter Institute, a journalism think tank in St. Petersburg, Fla., because “people are modulating their opinions based on the staccato-like information that comes out.”

The Poynter Institute owns the St.Petersburg Times - now called Tampa Bay Times. The staccato-like release of information was intentional. Most of the correct information was filtered through the internet - not newspapers. Drudge was a factor - who happens to be white. As Kenny Irby is a factor - who happens to be black. Not that either man's race has affected their coverage of the story....

30 posted on 06/18/2012 8:36:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: marktwain
The calls, released by prosecutors,
31 posted on 06/18/2012 8:49:32 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: varmintman

“You get the idea. This lunatic prosecutor needs to be flipping burgers next to Mike Nifong at the golden arches.”

Exactly, but I didn’t know that our “correctional institutions” had Mickey D’s inside their walls.


32 posted on 06/18/2012 8:51:31 AM PDT by vette6387
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I wonder what the public's opinion will be after after listening to the George Zimmerman jail house calls.

And I wonder what the people who contributed to his 'defense fund' will think when they learn they paid off all of Geroge's bills, from his credit cards, to a loan from his mother, to Mrs. Z's nursing school tuition, etc. The only bills not paid were the water bill and car insurance ... because Mrs. Z could not do that online.

33 posted on 06/18/2012 8:53:52 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: gzzimlich

All TM had to say was, “I’m visiting my Dad, who’s staying with his girlfriend at blah, blah address.” GZ probably would’ve given him a lift to the condo!


34 posted on 06/18/2012 9:01:32 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: John O

“Between the Martin attack and the flash mobs beating white people I won’t even go into black majority areas anymore (unless heavily armed and required to be there”

I did a “Job Walk” for a public housing repair/remodel project in the south side of Sacramento back in the mid 1990’s. We had a police escort at the site who told the group of bidding contractors that they suggested our employees be visably armed while on the job. They further stated that they rarely patroled that area.....too dangerous......racial profiling????? Nope....being realistic.......


35 posted on 06/18/2012 9:02:50 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Beach_Babe
And I wonder what the people who contributed to his 'defense fund' will think when they learn they paid off all of Geroge's bills, from his credit cards, to a loan from his mother, to Mrs. Z's nursing school tuition, etc. The only bills not paid were the water bill and car insurance ... because Mrs. Z could not do that online.

I am hoping that the people will realize that George Zimmerman and his family have ongoing expenses associated with just living. And since he lost his job as a result of the media exposure and lies, his defense includes paying these bills, meeting bail, and the costs of living in hiding.

To me, this is exactly what these contributions were intended for.

I would far rather pay for his living expenses now, while he can't, than have the money go to a lawyer, who got into the case for its publicity value and who will be handsomely rewarded by his percentage of the damages for the libels inflicted on Mr. Zimmerman.

In fact, I would love to see a "George Zimmerman general expenses fund". I would support him by contributing more to this than to a defense fund.

36 posted on 06/18/2012 9:07:19 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Beach_Babe
And I wonder what the people who contributed to his 'defense fund' will think when they learn they paid off all of Geroge's bills

Shocked! Absolutely Shocked!! The audacity of he and his wife paying off their bills as people expected they would. Especially before they go into hiding from people who want to kill him.

Would you rather that he not paid them off, went delinquent, and filed for bankruptcy on top of everything else??? or would you rather the bailbondsman and the lawyers and the Circuit Court get it all??

Good to hear from you again, Angela.

37 posted on 06/18/2012 9:12:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: CurlyDave; All

Exactly right. I see not problem with him paying bills with the money. Money is fungible.


38 posted on 06/18/2012 9:13:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: John O
Would you (as a white person) feel safe when surrounded by blacks?

Over ten years ago, there were parts of Detroit that were already deemed "off limits" to even ARMED POLICE OFFICERS! I have a couple of friends of mine who were Michigan county deputies who had to escort prisoners to and from Detroit and they were told the EXACT ROUTES to take into and out of the city - for their safety! In MARKED cars!

No written law will stop people from profiling! Profiling stops many crimes - because the home owner doesn't wait to determine if the man standing at his door with a gun and a crowbar is there to ask for a cup of sugar - he shoots and kills him! The police have to wait until the crowbar and/or gun have been used to make a move - STUPID! Profiling is what solves many crimes, but unfortunately, we wait until these perpetrators have already killed/raped/maimed people before we start profiling! Stupid lawyers have tied the hands of many good police officers!

But we, as a people, are not harnessed and limited by this stupidity and therefore, all of this talk about profiling, etc.. concerning this case are utter and complete BULL$HIT! Zimmerman was not acting in any legal, authoritative capacity and therefore was well within his rights, as a citizen, to profile to his hearts content! PERIOD!
39 posted on 06/18/2012 9:27:23 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: henkster
"Losing this case will be a career buster. If they promised her anything it’s illusory; she is being sacrificed."

Corey is delusional. I have no doubt she felt she was given this case because she was just that good.

40 posted on 06/18/2012 9:27:50 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: CurlyDave
he lost his job as a result of the media exposure and lies


And what job was that? Everthing I've read has led me to believe that he was unemployed at the time of the shooting.

41 posted on 06/18/2012 9:32:12 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: marktwain

Why was it such huge news 3 weeks after it happened?

The professional aggrievance industry needed a fund raiser for 2012. The PAI board met on March 1 and decided this would work.

It’s worked so well, they now use trash cans instead of collection baskets to fund raise.


42 posted on 06/18/2012 9:33:49 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Uncle Chip
Give me a break!

Over and over again it has been stated here that the Z's didn't lie when they stated they had no money .... that the money donated was for 'legal defense' only, so they omitted mentioning it. I would consider the bailbondsman and the lawyers and the Circuit Court as 'legal' monies. I would not consider loan repayments to mom and tution fees 'legal' monies.

Whatever . . .

43 posted on 06/18/2012 9:46:24 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe; CurlyDave

“He was employed as an insurance underwriter prior to the shooting[56] and was in his final semester at Seminole State College for an Associates degree in Criminal Justice.[57] His goal was to become a police officer.[58]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman#George_Zimmerman


44 posted on 06/18/2012 9:50:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MrEdd
Going after the wife hasn’t played well.

Nor should it, that's basically state gangsterism being directed against a young married couple for a base cause.

45 posted on 06/18/2012 9:54:11 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Uncle Chip
A Wiki entry that leads to a dead link?

Okay . . .

46 posted on 06/18/2012 9:54:30 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe

Worked for me.


47 posted on 06/18/2012 10:01:23 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Beach_Babe
Over and over again it has been stated here that the Z's didn't lie when they stated they had no money .... that the money donated was for 'legal defense' only, so they omitted mentioning it.

That's not true. You must be thinking about some other website.

Everywhere on this forum posters have said over and over again that they understood by the request that the donations would go for two things: living expenses and legal expenses. Outstanding bills are a part of living expenses.

48 posted on 06/18/2012 10:02:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Beach_Babe

Take it up with Wiki or the Orlando Sentinel.


49 posted on 06/18/2012 10:07:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MrEdd

Actually, tbe guy’s wife was revealed to be either less than 100% truthful about their finances...or not competent as to knowing assets being provided by the public for Georges defence counted the same for certain court paperwkrk as money they had had all along.


So we can take from this that you have not read the unedited court transcript where she told the judge that she didn’t know exactly how much was in the account and offered to call her BIL who would know, and the judge said she didn’t need to.


50 posted on 06/18/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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