Posted on 06/15/2012 9:15:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head
Actually, if you go to the site referenced by this thread you will find out differently...and I know of NO ONE who has implied that any Luda under any circumstances is equal to or like a Tico Cruiser. I have no idea where that statement came from.
I have stated that the newer DDGs, the Lanzhou Class of which eight have now been built (six in the last two years) are their version of AEGIS with Battle Management, PARs and VLS. They are not the equal of AEGIS, but they are no longer anything close to 25 years behid us either...they are catching up rapidly and have vessels now that are a viable threat to our forces.
Their new FFGs are better than the current Perrys, particularly after we stripped them of even thier single arm launchers.
Right now there are still twelve Luda class, which have had modern SSMs and newer sensors added. This allows them to be more effective when operating with their brand new units because they can get their targeting from the other assets which they lack.
So, 12 Ludas, or Type 051 DDGs.
In terms of more modern DDGs with much more modern sensors, bettwr weapons fit, much better ASW capabilities, the have the following:
Lanzhou Class, Type 052C DDGs - 8
Guangzhouo Class Type 052B DDGs - 2
Harbin Class Type 052 DDGs - 2
PLAN Proj 956(E) Sovremmeny DDGs - 4
Luzhou Class Type 051C DDGs - 2
Luhai Class Type 051B DDGs - 1
So, that’s 19 much newer more modern DDGs and 12 old DDGs for a total of 31...meaning they have built nineteen new DDGs in the space of time that they disposed of only four of the old Ludas...that’s not a replacement strategy, that is a high growth strategy.
Similar is occuring with the Frigates (FFGs). The older FFGs, like the ludas are the Type 053 class. Newer version were steadly introduced until the type 053H and Ks became fairly modern. The older ones, similar to the Ludas are the Jianghu class. The newer ones of the Type 053 (Hs and Ks) are the Jiangwei Class.
The PLAN built 53 of the older Jianghu Class of which 28 are still in service, having been modernised with newer SSms and sensors like the Ludas.
The more modern Jiangwei Class had 14 built of which all 14 are still in service.
Since that time the PLAN has embarked on a serious, very nmodern campaign of FFG build, the Type 054(A) clases.
Two of the type 054 Class were built and now 16 of the much more capable Type 054A class have been launched in the last five years, at about three per year.
This means that the PLAN who had 53 older type FFGs, now has 60 frigates of which 28 are the older type and 32 are the newer type which means in the time they disposed of 25 old frigates, they built 32 new ones. Again, not a replacement strategy but a growth strategy.
Same is true in the Diesel Electric Submairine area where we find them adding far more new AIP SSs than they are dispoing of older ones. And the nuclear sub SSN and SSBN is a pure growth areana for them too.
Incredible thread, Jeff... thanks!
YTou are welcome. Please pass it around so other’s can know how our dollars we spend on Red China products are being used.
They are involved in an incredable Naval buildup...and their other services, particularly their missile force and air force are doing similarly.
Will do... I'll ping my biggest list here momentarily.
In the last several years they have grown their navy with new, capable, modern diesigns by over 142% while the US NAvy has shrunk by 13% in that same time period.
Don't miss this stunning thread (including amazing photos) put together by FReeper Jeff Head. (Thanks, Jeff!)
A short excerpt above posted by Jeff, but there's lots more interesting (and pretty scary) stuff posted on the entire thread...
Thanks and Happy Birthday!
Yep. Interest on US debt held by China = China's defense budget.
Thanks, nutmeg, for the ping to so many.
The more who know about this and understand its implictions, the better.
The world is not safe, and the days of nation against nation...or whole alliances against whole alliances are not necessarily over. We have to stay vigilant and stay strong and not buy into the so-called “peace dividend” when such powerful enemies are arming themselves to the teeth.
Thank you...and God’s speed and blessings to you and yours in return.
Not to mention the profit they are reaping from all of their sales through about every retailer here in the states whose products are being produced there. It’s still a communist county and the proifts still acrue to the government there.
China is also starting to make historical claims on neighboring land like the Germans did. With their expanding economy they need more land and the natural resources they come with. We're in an extended world-wide economic recession and have weak Western leadership just like the lead up to WWII. All it will take is a spark.
Because of the huge investments made in technology for WWII, the years after led to great wealth and prosperity for America. A world war in the near future would likely be the first robot war. After the war the robot technology would be put to civilian uses. Manufacturing would return to America. A high tech war would not be so kind to countries with an oversupply of cheap labor like China. If they do start a war, it will be their downfall.
Thanks for the ping!
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