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Beware the spy in the sky.. snoopers, Google and Apple ..film you sunbathing in your back garden
Daily Mail ^ | 10 June 2012 | Vanessa Allen

Posted on 06/10/2012 8:33:18 PM PDT by george76

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To: Terry Mross

Bureaucrats on the mass marketing mailing teat in the 1980s permitted them to stockpile and SELL private information which is what leads to identity theft today.

These companies don’t work strictly FOR the government, but they will sell their information to anyone with money and those who buy it can resell it and recoup some of the cost.

Even the government sold drivers’ license data to private companies for years.

It’s one thing to go into an office and request a specific profile in person. It’s another thing to download a full database with a few clicks.

Same goes for property values.


21 posted on 06/10/2012 10:43:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

My laptop has a camera mounted just above the screen. A 1” piece of electrical tape solved that....

Now, back to the thread topic, satellite cameras spying on us. I like a very even tan, but I do not have the body of an Adonis. Viewing this bod is liable to cause nausea and if subjected to prolonged exposure, possible blindness. Fair payback for spying on me.


22 posted on 06/10/2012 10:53:45 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Petruchio

The mic is still active ;)


23 posted on 06/10/2012 10:59:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Norm Lenhart: “Does anyone seriously believe that random search scripts can fool the algorithms of a NSA Cray array? SERIOUSLY?”

You make a good point. In the book, 1984, George Orwell wrote that the party monitored pretty much everything party members did. Only the proles had a bit of liberty. However, George Orwell didn’t know about modern computers and computing power.

Biblical prophecy says people won’t be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Our banking system is becoming more and more computerized to the point where cash may soon be obsolete. The “buy or sell” prophecy wasn’t even possible 10 or 20 years ago, but it’s totally doable with modern computers.

Human eyes and minds get tired, and there is only so much information that a human mind can process. Computers, on the other hand, never tire, and while they can be overwhelmed individually, they can easily share the work load of sifting through massive amounts of information.

You mention a NSA Cray array. Think millions, billions, if not trillions of processors working together someday to monitor virtually everything we do. It IS possible.


24 posted on 06/10/2012 11:29:35 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
People sometimes, foolishly, post about revolution if the government keeps growing. Like in 1984, there comes a point where a revolution has zero chance of ever getting off the ground. How would people even communicate to start a revolution when everything one does is recorded somewhere? Short of traveling by foot to talk with conspirators, there is no escaping being monitored. Future cars will record where you go if they don't already. Cell phones and land lines are no doubt monitored for terrorist traffic. The internet? Ha. Nothing is hidden there, and nearly everything we've done online is probably on record somewhere. Like the article notes, there's no longer even any privacy in the “privacy” of one’s own home.

Like it or not, privacy is gone, and end times prophecy will be fulfilled. Again, there will be no physical escape, only a spiritual one. The technologies are here now or will be here soon. Why wouldn't they be used? They will be.

25 posted on 06/10/2012 11:42:35 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“Human eyes and minds get tired, and there is only so much information that a human mind can process. Computers, on the other hand, never tire, and while they can be overwhelmed individually, they can easily share the work load of sifting through massive amounts of information.”

In the early 90s I had an Amiga 1200 with a Math coprocessor and did 3D as a hobby. Every morning was like Christmas as that Amiga chugged all night raytracing a mirrorball over a checkered background at a mighty 320x200 resolution.

Tonight I played an RPG on a PS2 (not even close to the power of the PS3) that the Amiga would probably STILL be processing one raytraced frame of at current resolution, had I hit render in 1995.

We have more horsepower in an Iphone than the NSA had in 1995. We have more power in a current supercomputer than could have been realistically imagined back then. Memory/storage is cheap. clusters of computers sift data at rates that we can’t comprehend. And the ‘cloud’ gives it a concentrated pool of data to mine.

People just don’t ‘think’ about this stuff. But it happens every second of the day. Those computers are not raytracing mirrorballs or playing Final Fantasy.


26 posted on 06/10/2012 11:45:16 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Programmers still need to set these computers upon coordinated tasks. They won’t sniff and snoop the cloud of their own initiative.


27 posted on 06/10/2012 11:50:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Of course they wont. Do you think that govt. programmers aren’t directed to do that? Seriously?


28 posted on 06/10/2012 11:54:32 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Norm Lenhart
Sure. Someone has to write the algorithms, but what makes you think that's so difficult?

It's like that thread about a list of targeted words. I'm certain the government isn't just simply searching for those words. It's running algorithms to judge context, and you can be sure humans are only needed after the information is well sifted and sorted by computers. Plus, even if this isn't going on right now (I believe it is), it's getting easier by the day as computing power grows.

I think Norm mentioned the PS3. They are more powerful than supercomputers a decade or so ago. Anyone who doesn't think that technology is or will be used by government to monitor citizens is incredibly naive. As in 1984, technology offers the means to monitor citizens like never before, except there's no reason why the proles can't be included (1984 had humans monitoring humans).

29 posted on 06/11/2012 12:27:07 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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Before my PS3 blew up (after 4 years of hard use ;) it was playing full hdmi resolution 3d games that were far more graphically advanced than movies 10 years ago. Nearly and in some cases photorealistic. That tech is 6 years old. The graphics cards (think math/number crunching operations) on a high end home gaming PC has 1000 times the power of a PS3.

Now think millions to billions of times that power in supercomputer clusters. That’s reality today and not even getting into the potential of quantum computers coming down the pike within a decade or two. Likely far less.

Aside from Skynet becoming self aware soon ;) we have no real way to hide thanks to the total integration of our lives and the online world. Even a hermit in the hills has to deal with spy sats/drones if someone wants to monitor him bad enough. But the causal/average person is an open book to even corporate entities, much less the govt.

It’s more scary to me to think there are people that don’t understand the level of surveillance already in play than that the govt. is doing it (not that that’s a good thing). What one does not know is always more a danger than what one does.


30 posted on 06/11/2012 12:44:28 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CitizenUSA

Now that I think about it, the PS2 was a banned item for Iraq under Saddam after it came out as it could be networked under linux and made into a cluster supercomp. There are pix/info on the net of a group that actually did that with racks of old PS2s.


31 posted on 06/11/2012 1:01:40 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Terry Mross

Alexander Graham Bell and Samuel Morse cooperated with the government in their day. My late father was one of the people charged with tapping phones in Miami for the phone company when we lived there in the late 60’s. Nothing new.


32 posted on 06/11/2012 1:10:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I recall that PS2 cluster thing, too. Yeah, it’s very sobering to see where technology is leading. Some people are still like the poster who wrote they didn’t care if the government saw them naked, because they didn’t think their body was special. That’s like the people who say they have nothing to hide. Who cares if the government body scans them at airports (soon to be anywhere it wants), right?

I still don’t think it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. That’s why I emphasize the need to get right with God. For the first time in man’s history, biblical end time prophecy is technically possible. Seriously. If we go one world government with modern surveillance technology, there will be no escaping it.

What truly amazes me is the many millions of people (Americans!) in this world who are in a mad rush for that all powerful one world government. Only a world government can bring true peace and freedom, right? How incredibly, mind shockingly naive!


33 posted on 06/11/2012 1:17:10 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

I’m a huge fan of dystopian novels. Especially sci fi. and while I’ll be accused of ‘reading too much’ by some, It’s incredible how our modern society mirrors and often excedes the ‘futures’ written about by Orwell, Huxley, Bradbury and the like.

But when you can go line by line through 1984 and find not only parallels, but verbatim examples of what they wrote about, it’s pretty stupid to say that it’s just some conspiracy theory.

The 1WG stuff is openly planned and the paperwork on file for any who would read it. Agenda 21 is no dystopian sci fi novel.It’s the blueprint that fed/state/local govt’s are enacting law by law here in America and in variants of ‘our’ implementations across the globe. I wrote for years on landuse issues and the green aspect is part and parcel of the 1WG agenda. The surveillance and knowing your every move aspect is of course control over that agenda.

And again, it’s not hidden. It’s published daily and openly discussed. But like with the Islam issue, no one believes it’s ‘so bad really’. Sure there are problems but they don’t really want to kill us all. The Koran doesn’t really mean what it says about sharia and infidels... after all, I’m from the govt.and here to help you!

God people are such idiotic sheep. And worse, many claim to be conservative and go right along with the mess. Noooo! this is crazy talk! you’ll discredit true conservatives talking about those crazy things....

Yup. Sheep.


34 posted on 06/11/2012 1:31:26 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: george76

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_6I50oXAVM


35 posted on 06/11/2012 3:57:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: george76

Well, Google and Apple won’t get much on film but fat bellies and big butts in our neighborhood, and the MUFFINS, even on the younger women in most places are pretty pronounced.


36 posted on 06/11/2012 4:17:35 AM PDT by Twinkie (Isaiah 53)
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To: george76

The guy who invents a mirage screen (like they had in Galt’s Gulch) will make a fortune.


37 posted on 06/11/2012 4:41:45 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Norm, do you know of any PING lists for this subject?
Anybody?


38 posted on 06/11/2012 5:04:40 AM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat

Nope. but if you find one, let me know.


39 posted on 06/11/2012 5:06:57 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: george76

I see a nationwide event unfurling, a massive campaign of decoy vehicles, inflatable dolls and who can out do his neighbor through the drones camera eye.

What could be better than a backyard battalion of inflatable tanks, infantry and artillery?

How about a couple of cardboard cutouts of Blackhawk helicopters?

Best app to get is how to see what your property looks like from way overhead, and how to make it appear like something else. How to paint or strategically place articles to make your house look like a storage tank, an orchard, a hog farm even.

Scale isn’t important as long as its not against something of real scale values. Being a model railroader and a fabricator I see a welcome market for plans on how to make your own cardboard city, an army or even an illegal Constitutional militia. Which will benefit the secrecy of the real ones.


40 posted on 06/11/2012 5:15:46 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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