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To: Nachum

This is terrible. A 12 year old boy thinks suicide is the best option available to him?????

Did the school know of the bullying, did the parents?

I feel horrible for this kid like I always do when I hear someone committed suicide but at 12 years old, may God have mercy on his soul.

RIP.


19 posted on 06/03/2012 9:34:05 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
Did the school know of the bullying, did the parents?

My feeling is that it is the parents who ultimately failed. Suicide means that the victim felt he had no recourse. None at all. But the family should always be there to turn to. I mean no animosity towards the family, but I think it's inescapable that they failed in their role.

OTOH, who knows. Maybe they begged him every night to tell them what was wrong. I wonder.

29 posted on 06/03/2012 9:51:47 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Lx
A 12 year old boy thinks suicide is the best option available to him?

An introverted kid is likely to either kill himself or to kill the attackers. Both scenarios had occurred in recent memory.

Children are, by law, a kind of property; they are not entirely humans, as it appears. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not apply to them. Read through it, pretty much every Article is violated when we deal with children. Parents (and schools) can't beat or kill them, but pretty much everything else is OK. Children are told to go there and to do this, but rarely they are listened to, and their complaints are often ignored. This is very dangerous because the society of children is not much different from a wolf pack. Adults are happy to ignore the infighting, telling themselves that "all kids play like that."

Even adults go postal from time to time, when they are unable to otherwise defend themselves or extricate themselves from the situation. Adults have ways to do that; the simplest is to advise your boss that he can have that job and shove it, and then walk out. That's really all that it takes. If you feel the need to leave town - by all means, it's not particularly difficult.

Those options are not available to children. They are told to go to a certain place and be tortured by sadists, day after day after day. Would you, an adult, agree to that? What would you call it when you are forced to go to a plantation school and not just work but also suffer there, with no recourse? What's the difference between a child and a slave? Just the degree of how hard the labor is? Note that children are far more vicious than a group of adults. They may not understand it, but it doesn't change the fact.

If complaints are ignored then anyone, be it a child or an adult, will realize that the torture is not going to stop any time soon. What can a child do? Escaping is not really an option, a 12 y/o kid these days cannot get a job - "for his own good," of course. Children, being immature, can easily jump to conclusions - and they do.

Children are also very sensitive to unfair punishments. They are not cynical enough yet and they don't know the rules of revenge. (Some do, like those two from Columbine.) School's "zero tolerance" rules punish the victim. Many an adult would see red if that is done to him. A child? Nobody knows, and make sure he has no access to anything dangerous.

There could be many good ways to deal with this problem. But adults don't seem to be interested in them. Schools don't care, they have their own marching orders. Parents are often careless. Logically, the best solution would be to allow a child to take control of his life by giving him either the legal status of an adult or at least allowing him to make necessary decisions about his specific situation - with judge's participation, perhaps. When none of that happens the kid, being neither protected nor wanted, sees no other option but to end his life.

35 posted on 06/03/2012 10:08:49 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Lx
A 12 year old boy thinks suicide is the best option available to him?

An introverted kid is likely to either kill himself or to kill the attackers. Both scenarios had occurred in recent memory.

Children are, by law, a kind of property; they are not entirely humans, as it appears. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not apply to them. Read through it, pretty much every Article is violated when we deal with children. Parents (and schools) can't beat or kill them, but pretty much everything else is OK. Children are told to go there and to do this, but rarely they are listened to, and their complaints are often ignored. This is very dangerous because the society of children is not much different from a wolf pack. Adults are happy to ignore the infighting, telling themselves that "all kids play like that."

Even adults go postal from time to time, when they are unable to otherwise defend themselves or extricate themselves from the situation. Adults have ways to do that; the simplest is to advise your boss that he can have that job and shove it, and then walk out. That's really all that it takes. If you feel the need to leave town - by all means, it's not particularly difficult.

Those options are not available to children. They are told to go to a certain place and be tortured by sadists, day after day after day. Would you, an adult, agree to that? What would you call it when you are forced to go to a plantation school and not just work but also suffer there, with no recourse? What's the difference between a child and a slave? Just the degree of how hard the labor is? Note that children are far more vicious than a group of adults. They may not understand it, but it doesn't change the fact.

If complaints are ignored then anyone, be it a child or an adult, will realize that the torture is not going to stop any time soon. What can a child do? Escaping is not really an option, a 12 y/o kid these days cannot get a job - "for his own good," of course. Children, being immature, can easily jump to conclusions - and they do.

Children are also very sensitive to unfair punishments. They are not cynical enough yet and they don't know the rules of revenge. (Some do, like those two from Columbine.) School's "zero tolerance" rules punish the victim. Many an adult would see red if that is done to him. A child? Nobody knows, and make sure he has no access to anything dangerous.

There could be many good ways to deal with this problem. But adults don't seem to be interested in them. Schools don't care, they have their own marching orders. Parents are often careless. Logically, the best solution would be to allow a child to take control of his life by giving him either the legal status of an adult or at least allowing him to make necessary decisions about his specific situation - with judge's participation, perhaps. When none of that happens the kid, being neither protected nor wanted, sees no other option but to end his life.

36 posted on 06/03/2012 10:09:08 PM PDT by Greysard
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