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Will history be kind to Bush?
CNN ^ | June 1, 2012 | Timothy Stanley

Posted on 05/31/2012 6:58:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Bushes humorous return to White House

(CNN) -- Thursday afternoon, Barack Obama presided over the unveiling of George W. Bush's official portrait in the White House, a warm event that reminds us: It feels like years since President Dubya regaled the world with his famous spoonerisms. His retirement has been defined by an awkward silence. While John McCain's endorsement was trumpeted by Mitt Romney, Bush delivered his in just four words. "I'm for Mitt Romney," he shouted to a journalist as an elevator door closed between them. If, just for old time's sake, Bush had said, "I'm for Ritt Momney," it would have been perfect.

Bush's silence may be motivated by the recognition that much of the public doesn't like him. He left office with the worst approval rating for a president since Watergate. But Bush could undergo a renaissance of enthusiasm. Consider the shifting attitudes toward Harry Truman.

When he left the White House in 1952, Truman was blamed for the recession and an ugly war in Korea. His approval rate was just 31%. By 1977, Jimmy Carter was hanging Truman's portrait in the White House and the band Chicago sang, "America needs you, Harry Truman!" The switch came partly because Truman, like Bush, had a gentle, honest personality that voters looked back on with fondness. But Truman also proved prescient in his conduct of the Cold War. Bush, likewise, might seem a better and more farsighted leader in a few years time.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; bushlegacy; historians; presidents

1 posted on 05/31/2012 6:59:00 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Bush, likewise, might seem a better and more farsighted leader in a few years time.”

Gee, ya think?

After three & 1/2 years of “The One”, Bush is starting to look mighty good, even to CNN.


2 posted on 05/31/2012 7:06:14 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: MinorityRepublican

My history of Bush will be kind but honest, meaning I won’t gloss over some failures that lots of folks get the blame for.

A consider him to be a very likable man who really cares about America and has shown an ongoing genuine concern for our troops.


3 posted on 05/31/2012 7:07:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"...Bush's silence may be motivated by the recognition that much of the public doesn't like him..."

Who writes this crap? Oh, yeah. CNN et al.

Maybe, just maybe, his silence is motivated because it is the "right" thing to do, and what nearly every single President before Jimmy Carter did.

4 posted on 05/31/2012 7:08:50 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: MinorityRepublican

NO! And it shouldn’t either.

Time to move on and fire Boehner and McConnell and other Bush era RINOs.


5 posted on 05/31/2012 7:09:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
In the wake of the discovery of a creepy "Kill List," a number of liberal journalists have written that Obama is actually less ethical or constitutionally minded than his predecessor.

You don't say.

6 posted on 05/31/2012 7:11:27 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican; a fool in paradise

It was a Frenchman, whose name escapes me, who said: “Everyone knows the future, nobody remembers the past.”


7 posted on 05/31/2012 7:11:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It will be kinder to Bush than it will be to the
usurper Obama and the Clintons.


8 posted on 05/31/2012 7:12:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: rlmorel

AMEN!


9 posted on 05/31/2012 7:14:00 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: rlmorel
Maybe, just maybe, his silence is motivated because it is the "right" thing to do, and what nearly every single President before Jimmy Carter did.

Thank You! I'm so tired of people (even conservatives) saying he keeps quiet because he is so hated.

Bush was far from perfect, but IMHO he loved the country and especially the military. Can anyone say the same about the current occupant of the White Hut?

10 posted on 05/31/2012 7:16:06 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: MinorityRepublican
Boy, they just can't stop. The left wingers are like addicts when it comes to demeaning GW. they have to get their daily "fix" of ridiculing him.

There is absolutely no necessity for a negative article about Bush on a day when his and Laura's lovely portraits were unveiled. And they cannot bear to give him credit for being the gentleman that he is and following the unspoken rule that former presidents stay out of the fray regarding current "Occupants" in the White House. Bush is so superior in dignity and tact - far above the biting, self-centered and approval-seeking former Democrat presidents, Clinton and Carter who keep interjecting their views.

The behavior of Liberals and especially writers like the one who wrote the article is so sickeningly petty, childish, and obviously partisan. The practice of real journalism has been lost and we only have what used to be called "yellow journalism" now where each writer believes their own opinion is more important than the facts in a story.

11 posted on 05/31/2012 7:18:11 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Boy, they just can't stop. The left wingers are like addicts when it comes to demeaning GW. they have to get their daily "fix" of ridiculing him.

There is absolutely no necessity for a negative article about Bush on a day when his and Laura's lovely portraits were unveiled. And they cannot bear to give him credit for being the gentleman that he is and following the unspoken rule that former presidents stay out of the fray regarding current "Occupants" in the White House. Bush is so superior in dignity and tact - far above the biting, self-centered and approval-seeking former Democrat presidents, Clinton and Carter who keep interjecting their views.

The behavior of Liberals and especially writers like the one who wrote the article is so sickeningly petty, childish, and obviously partisan. The practice of real journalism has been lost and we only have what used to be called "yellow journalism" now where each writer believes their own opinion is more important than the facts in a story.

12 posted on 05/31/2012 7:18:32 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: skeeter
These same ‘liberal journalists’ (I'll bet they were on the Jurn0List) just found out their messiah is just a typical Chicago scumbag politician?

I am shocked. “Shocked, I say!”

13 posted on 05/31/2012 7:19:00 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not as long as liberals write the history books.


14 posted on 05/31/2012 7:19:00 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: MinorityRepublican
Real history, or the propaganda taught in public schools?
15 posted on 05/31/2012 7:24:56 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CitizenM

“famous spoonerisms” “His retirement has been defined by an awkward silence.” ... “If, just for old time’s sake, Bush had said, “I’m for Ritt Momney,” it would have been perfect.”
“Bush’s silence may be motivated by the recognition that much of the public doesn’t like him ... “

Journalists: they give whale **** at the bottom of the Marianas trench a run for the money.


16 posted on 05/31/2012 7:26:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen to that, but he did grow the government and spend too much. That begot us the Won.


17 posted on 05/31/2012 7:26:35 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: Sir Napsalot

“....just found out their messiah is just a typical Chicago scumbag politician?”

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No, they knew it all along and they still do but scumbag journalists defend scumbag politicians.


18 posted on 05/31/2012 7:26:35 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: BwanaNdege; YankeeReb

I disagreed mightily with GWB on several things (No Child Left Behind, “Bi-partisanship”, treatment of Scooter Libby, just to name a few)

But what galls me most is his unwillingness to stick up for himself and to let the liberals set the tone and define the rules of discourse. I understand part of that was his gentlemanly personality, and part was his belief that doing so would undermine the office of the Presidency, but I wish he had come out swinging. He was tough enough to do it, why he just surrendered that ground to liberals just angered me.

But all in all, I did feel like adults were in charge during that eight years, even with the policies I disagreed with.

Now, with this administration, not so much.


19 posted on 05/31/2012 7:26:35 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: MinorityRepublican
Bush's silence may be motivated by the recognition that much of the public doesn't like him.

Where the hell has this idjit been? The Bushes have made no secret of their decision to NOT talk about their successors once they've left office. And besides, I'll bet an honest poll would give W a higher job approval than 0.

20 posted on 05/31/2012 7:32:13 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: MinorityRepublican

It depends on whether it’s the Left writing it.


21 posted on 05/31/2012 7:36:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: MinorityRepublican

As long as we visit websites such as CNN and subscribe to the NYT, etc. we should expect no change.


22 posted on 05/31/2012 7:38:43 PM PDT by Huskrrrr ( the will)
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To: rlmorel

Liberals are masters of projection. They have no understanding of morals or honor. I’ll never forget when an MSM reporter asked then Governor Bush this question, 4 days before the election in 2000—”Governor Bush, we have a report of you being arrested for DUI in Kennebunkport in 1977. What do you have to say about this?”The reporter waited smugly, expecting GWB to squirm at his well timed gotcha question, and give some parsing, evasive Clintonian “I didn’t inhale”, answer. Governor Bush said “That story is absolutely true. I’m not proud of it. I used to drink too much, and I drank too much that night, but I haven’t had a drink in 14 years. Next question?” The reporter looked very dejected, because Bush had disarmed him. At that moment, I knew he would make mistakes, but was motivated by doing the right thing.


23 posted on 05/31/2012 7:41:07 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: cripplecreek
“My history of Bush will be kind but honest, meaning I won’t gloss over some failures that lots of folks get the blame for.”

“A consider him to be a very likable man who really cares about America and has shown an ongoing genuine concern for our troops.”
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Very well said! My sentiments exactly!

24 posted on 05/31/2012 7:42:17 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: SkyDancer

“W” was a kind and honorable man in a tough job. Then add in 9-11 and a nasty media. He bore it with grace. He did the best he could with what he had. He had smart people around him. How much influence did Dick have over those eight years?

He did mess up some stuff though, just to get along, again as best as he knew how.


25 posted on 05/31/2012 7:43:15 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Typical CNN B/S.

Nobody in their right mind could think that things would have been better with Scam artist Gore or Traitor-Paper cut-Kerry.


26 posted on 05/31/2012 7:44:15 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m sure GW will be remembered for his statements, “Islam is a religion of peace!” And,”We’ll fight the war, ya’ll go on back to the mall!” But he did have a good heart.


27 posted on 05/31/2012 7:44:34 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: CitizenM

If it had been me I think I would have asked that the portrait be put into storage and unveiled by the next president.


28 posted on 05/31/2012 7:45:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Gator113

Hey, that paper cut was nasty! It required mecurichrome and a band-aid! What if it got infected?Purple hearts don’t come easy, you know!


29 posted on 05/31/2012 7:48:59 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: BwanaNdege

CNN - kinda snide as always and becoming irrelevant but love seeing the Bushes.


30 posted on 05/31/2012 7:50:00 PM PDT by altura
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To: Revolting cat!
It was a Frenchman, whose name escapes me, who said: “Everyone knows the future, nobody remembers the past.”

Hindsight is always 20/20. Not sure who said that....
31 posted on 05/31/2012 7:50:40 PM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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To: YankeeReb

Bush is not hated. He is incredibly popular. He does mountain bike events for handicapped servicement. He cannot go anyplace in Dallas without receiving a standing O.

People love to see him out at the ballpark with Nolan Ryan.

He’s a genuine nice guy and was a good president.

Just because Obama blames him for everything doesn’t mean we should.


32 posted on 05/31/2012 7:52:48 PM PDT by altura
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To: GRRRRR

>>> and a nasty media

Nasty doesn’t even come close.

They (Libs, take your pick) never forgave the Bush ‘stole’ the presidency bit.


33 posted on 05/31/2012 7:57:01 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m a bit surprised the current WH occupants or staff didn’t draw Hitler moustaches and fangs on the pic with Sharpies.


34 posted on 05/31/2012 7:57:26 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Freestate316

That is a great example, thanks for posting that. Pretty much says it all, doesn’t it? I can only aspire to be as solid and graceful in that position.


35 posted on 05/31/2012 7:58:47 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: MinorityRepublican
I think Bush is a decent and greatly underestimated man who loves his country and was the leader this nation needed in the weeks following 9/11. He did some good things in the White House. But he also presided over a massive expansion in the size, power and indebtedness of the federal government - Medicare Part D, the TSA and the DHS are just a few of the creations of his administration.

I like and respect Bush as a person. But he isn't a conservative and that along with the failure of conservatives in Congress to resist his worst instincts have helped to put us into the situation we're in now.
36 posted on 05/31/2012 8:09:59 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: altura

“Just because Obama blames him for everything doesn’t mean we should.”

Exactly.


37 posted on 05/31/2012 8:11:25 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: ImpBill
ImpBill, I am sure that some will remember him only for statements like that, including many here on FR. They are welcome to remember him for those statements.

I prefer to remember him for this:

And for this:

But hey. That is just me.

38 posted on 05/31/2012 8:14:04 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I respect and understand your point of view, AnotherUnixGeek.

There is definitely enough blame to go around.


39 posted on 05/31/2012 8:17:16 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: rlmorel
stick up for himself and to let the liberals set the tone and define the rules of discourse

Other Presidents spent a huge portion of their time fighting the media (Nixon & Clinton come to mind).

Bush decided he was going to concentrate his energies on other parts of his job and during his tenure his CIC role was of paramount importance.

I'm glad he didn't squabble with the left which loves to brawl. (A by-product of this BTW is that media viewership went DOWN which is precisely BECAUSE Bush didn't engage like they wanted.) Bush instead concentrated on keeping us safe and did a fine job.

40 posted on 05/31/2012 8:33:11 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

I understand exactly what you mean, but it is a mistake to cede the battlefield of the media to the enemy.

I think his administration and he himself could have done a better job of presenting their side, and they didn’t have to be nasty to do it.


41 posted on 05/31/2012 8:38:44 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: MinorityRepublican

Despite some snide remarks here and there, the overall message of this article is actually quite positive. Note that the author is not a CNN journalist. He’s a historian at Oxford.


42 posted on 05/31/2012 9:00:41 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty)
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To: rlmorel

Thank you for those pictures...especially him hugging the little girl....my favorite which I haven’t seen in years. Thanks for the tears, too.


43 posted on 05/31/2012 9:10:51 PM PDT by Bubbette
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To: rlmorel
but it is a mistake to cede the battlefield

Actually, I think Bush won the territory. Because as I said the media lost a lot of its power due to Bush's strategy. CNN was and is today a major casualty.

A President is not God...he cannot do all things. I'm glad Bush preserved his energy for the WOT...the greater fight. 20/20 hindsight says "why didn't he do this" or "why didn't he do that". We forget today how hard it was to keep the troops encouraged and the war strategies working. We forget how discouraging things looked. EVERYONE thought we would have another major attack. Well Bush went on offense and never let up and we did not have that 2nd attack. He did a great job...and with dignity.

44 posted on 05/31/2012 9:16:41 PM PDT by what's up
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To: rlmorel
"Who writes this crap? Oh, yeah. CNN et al."

"After 9/11, Bush could have determined the threat to America to be a limited terrorist opposition centered on al Qaeda. Instead, he defined it as a grand existential conflict between democracy and radical Islam: a clash of civilizations. Many may argue that his analysis was flawed, but many in the West also bought it -- witness Britain's participation in Iraq and Afghanistan and France's ban on the Burqa."

Huh? I guess I missed CNNs reporting on Bush's "ban on Burqa's", including the reference to this fact by the CNN propagandist.

45 posted on 05/31/2012 9:47:14 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: altura
"Bush is not hated. He is incredibly popular. He does mountain bike events for handicapped servicement. He cannot go father, any place in Dallas without receiving a standing O."

My wife and son, last year year one Sunday, saw GWB last at SMU's Methodist Church while attending with our friends who are members.

The Bush family attends regularly as devout Christians by all accounts and live in a humble manner considering their familial position and accomplishments.

This humility has been a hallmark of GWB, as well as his father, for better or worse. I've been frustrated by GWB's lack of vigorous defense of conservative policies,a But, it seems genuine that his silence after leaving office is due to his respect for the office.

I still believe the man and his ancestors are globalists of the first degree, but I don't think they have an abject hatred of America.

Here are snipts of a great article on GWB's military service from Aerospaceweb:

F-102 in Vietnam

"It really bothers me that a coward like George W. Bush spent the Vietnam War training to fly old and useless planes in Texas while John Kerry was heroically risking his life in combat and got three purple hearts!"
- question from Jennifer Braun

George W. Bush's military service began in 1968 when he enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating with a bachelor's degree in history from Yale University. The aircraft he was ultimately trained to fly was the F-102 Delta Dagger, popularly known as "the Deuce."

The F-102 was a supersonic second generation fighter designed in the early 1950s for the US Air Force. The primary mission of the aircraft was to intercept columns of Soviet nuclear bombers attempting to reach targets in the US and destroy them with air-to-air missiles. The technologies incorporated into the aircraft were state-of-the-art for the day.

ANG members of the period who we've been able to locate indicate that only highly qualified pilot candidates were accepted for Delta Dagger training because it was such a challenging aircraft to fly and left little room for mistakes.

Bush then returned to Ellington in Texas to complete seven months of combat crew training on the F-102 from December 1969 to June 1970.

Bush graduated from the training program in June 1970. When interviewed by the Associated Press in February 2004, flight instructor Maj. Udell recalled that Lt. Bush was one of his best students saying that, "I'd rank him in the top five percent."

The Air National Guard has often been ridiculed as a safe place for military duty during the Vietnam War. However, pilots from the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, as it was called at the time, were actually conducting combat missions in Vietnam when Bush enlisted.

Thanks to Palace Alert, the Air Force was able to transfer much-needed National Guard pilots to Vietnam on a voluntary basis while not actually calling up their squadrons. [snip]

Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in Palace Alert. However, the two were told by their flight instructor, Maj. Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran Col. William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert had stopped accepting new applicants before Bush would have been eligible."


46 posted on 05/31/2012 11:00:03 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bush made Barry Half-White possible... but it may be years before he is recognized as a hero of the democrat party..

Bush is a stealth democrat.. not George only but all three of them.. and their wives..


47 posted on 05/31/2012 11:29:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bush deserves a great deal of blame for permitting reckless spending, in which he expanded the military budget without cutting elsewhere, and even more so for TARP. However, Bush meant well and made many good decisions to balance out his blunders. Overall, he did a pretty good job. History should, if written honestly, be a whole lot kinder to Bush than to the usurper, a man who has catastrophically failed at everything he has done since taking power.


48 posted on 06/01/2012 6:11:19 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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