[LibLieSlayer]

The truth is... and even here on FR you can watch the attacks on me in this thread for saying so... but America is over. Eventually this system is going to crash. Not far off into someone else's future but within our lifetime. We cannot pay down the real debt that we owe... even if we had politicians willing to make hard and unpopular cuts... and the real debt is actually three times or more than the 15.1 Trillion that you see referenced. EU is going to crash soon... and so will wall street and the US Treasury. We have been lied to and scammed by BOTH parties for far too long and it is all beyond saving. We will all have to start over. THAT is where the hard part comes in.

LLS

[azcap]

LibLieSlayer makes a good point. The system is unworkable in its current state. 16 Trillion in debt. There is no difference between what is happening in Greece and where America is headed without radical radical change. Unlike some on FR I think Romney is a good guy, loves America and wants to do the right thing. I know from his Bain years that he is a technocrat who likes the geeky details of turning things around. I can’t help but think that he himself must lay awake at night sometimes and think to himself “I am going to win this but then what? how can I possibly turn this ship?”

[gbscott1954]

“The truth is... and even here on FR you can watch the attacks on me in this thread for saying so... but America is over.”

Well, since you have already pronounced America dead, do you mind if all us fool try to fight back and save what we can of what we received from the founding fathers? While I am deeply concerned I do not believe that our nation is finished. If Obama gets reelected it just may however! So many of us believe that our nation began providentially so we also must not discount the hand of divine providence.