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To: Olog-hai; rmlew; dfwgator
olog: I am not in the mood for posts that excuse the rise of old European and Eurasian empires.

with due respect, rmlew didn't do that, he said Russia already controls Ukraine because of the Russian population in the east. They have 45% of the population. So what is more important for you, Kruschev’s borders, or Ukrainian liberty?

De-facto the eastern part of the Ukraine is already Russian. And, more critical, it feels Russian (as I said, the boundaries between Ukrainian and Russian nationalities is vague due to the shared inheritance from Kievan Rus)

And even more critical to us is that the eastern part holds back the Western part.

The Western half is truly "Ukrainian" in the sense that it is building up the concept of a Ukrainian nationality

23 posted on 05/16/2012 7:45:53 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

But would Russia want a strong united Westernized Ukraine on their doorstep, or keep all of Ukraine divided and weak.


24 posted on 05/16/2012 7:48:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cronos

I see you weren’t listening. There is no American conservatism in countenancing the retread of the breakup of Eastern Europe between “east” and “west”—acts that led to two prior World Wars. The pattern is so blatant, even Captain Obvious is saying nothing about it because he feels he shouldn’t have to.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 12:39:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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