Mariner specifically wrote about the comment that one patients died of overdoses, when the article is about attempts to control pain.
Brian is the instigator, here. He posted this, pinged his buddies, and then called you for help when he got the response he expected. The original post wasn’t aimed at you, only a rude accusation by Kopp.
There are real murderers out there, but this discussion and the original post are not about them. Kopp wants this to be about the care that includes pain control, too.
I am one of those doctors - an MD with an ethics degree, - who is accused of euthanasia because of pain control and other judicious, medically and ethically thought out care. I’m also pilloried by the utilitarian “bioethics” who assume intentional and even involuntary killing should be in the doctor’s job description.
The fear of pain is the usual reason for advocates of intentional euthanasia. The accusation that pain control necessarily involves killing the patient is flat out wrong and Brian knows it. I’ll bet that as a podiatrist, he’s used pain killers, even opiates.
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What a scurrilous charge.
“Brian is the instigator, here. He posted this, pinged his buddies, and then called you for help when he got the response he expected. The original post wasn’t aimed at you, only a rude accusation by Kopp.”
B.S.
What got Mariner the boot was his attack on another poster:
"I saved my husband from that kind of death."
No, you tortured him for the extra days, weeks or months that he survived under intense...and futile...medical care.
The rest of your ridiculous accusation deserves no response.
Nonetheless, people are dying prematurely every day in hospice and palliative care due to withdrawal of hydration, masked by terminal sedation.
The terminal sedation is excused as "pain control" in numerous patients who never voiced any concern of pain.
I'm sorry if this pricks yuour conscience, but stop trying to deflect from the reality of what is going on every day in end of life care, Doctor.
Are you saying he is an "instigator" too?Didn’t realize it at the time, but my father was killed by morphine. The whole family gathered around his bedside for a 24 hr vigil while he was dying. They kept him on morphine to “ease his pain.” He slept peacefully around the clock until he was gone. My older sister died recently. I visited her in the hospital just a couple days before she died. She didn’t feel well but was talking and joking with us. Was surprised to learn the next day they sent her home to die. I went to her home and the family was gathered around her bedside as she slept, on morphine to “ease her pain” right up to her last breath. My brother’s father-in-law who was healthy and worked every day of his life even though he’d been retired for thirty years and was up on a ladder pruning a tree when he started having problems catching his breath. I mean when you’re over ninety years old you might sometimes have trouble catching your breath when you’re working hard. They took him to the hospital and they put him on morphine to “ease the pain” and he was dead within 24 hours. I visited him too with the family gathered around waiting for him to take his last breath. I’ve seen it happen enough times to realize this is not right. When I was in the hospital after they amputated my leg they put me on morphine. I was drugged up and basically out of it. They kept me in bed 24/7 wouldn’t even let me get up to go to the bathroom. They had some kind of device hooked up to me where if I ever felt pain all I had to do was push a button to inject a dose of morphine directly into my IV. Good thing I finally realized what was happening and had them disconnect it. Was up a couple days later, in therapy, then got the heck out of there. Was never so glad to get home in my entire young life.
Nonsense, Mariner said it was TORTURE to not kill someone.
Brian is the instigator, here. He posted this, pinged his buddies, and then called you for help when he got the response he expected.
You are WRONG.
Brian and I discussed this article yesterday afternoon and I asked him to post it and to ping me. I then pinged one of my ping lists.
Every other post of Brian's on this thread was to people who were already on the thread until he pinged Jim because of the abusive comments.
Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum, Mariner accused those of us who are pro-life of being "religious zealots."