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Court balance in play this election
Orange County Register ^ | April 27, 2012 | Brian Calle

Posted on 04/29/2012 6:40:28 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued

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To: EternalVigilance

Obama thanks you for the support.


51 posted on 04/29/2012 9:07:57 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: PeteB570

Romney Republicans have already ceded the election to Obama. You’re selling out all principle for absolutely nothing.


52 posted on 04/29/2012 9:09:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.)
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To: Oceander
That should make anyone with doubts about defeating Obama sh&t their pants.

Hence the urgency of this discussion for Conservatives.

53 posted on 04/29/2012 9:10:56 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: PeteB570

There’s no way any candidate can possibly win a contested election when the best thing his supporters have for their bumper stickers is “Yeah, I know he sucks, but...”


54 posted on 04/29/2012 9:11:40 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Obama thanks you for supporting his reelection campaign.

Any help you can provide by voting third party, writing in Micky Mouse or staying home is greatly appreciated.


55 posted on 04/29/2012 9:12:14 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Last Dakotan
Given that Romney has been political chameleon his whole career were we can have an effect is the background he plays against. VP, platform, Cabinet - even the House and Senate are all in play and ripe for conservative agitation.

We can have almost no effect on any of that. How exactly can we control who goes in Romney's cabinet? Those aren't up for a vote. As far as Congress, enough Republicans will simply go along with anything he does because of the "R" after his name. Bush Sr. got taxes raised by getting moderate Republicans and Democrats to agree on a plan when conservatives balked on a plan that would not have raised taxes as high as he did. We just saw the same thing take place on the student loan issue, as the WSJ explained it. The subsidized interest rate will add $6 billion to the deficit next year and risks becoming a permanent, untouchable entitlement. Romney agreed with Obama on it, and the House GOP went along with it because they didn't want to "embarrass" their nominee. This is how RINO presidents work, and why they don't win reelection. They totally disenchant the base and their liberal policy has the same bad effects it would under a Democrat. A Romney win paves the way for a Democrat takeover in 2014 and 2016 and the worst liberal policy you can imagine.

The crying, whining, screaming and kicking that because my guy didn't win I'm taking my toys and running home. Grow up people.

Has absolutely nothing to do with "my guy" logic. Plenty of us would have been fine with any mostly CONSERVATIVE nominee, be it Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, we'd probably even give Paul a shot. But Romney isn't even an option. It's like asking us to coalesce around Hillary Clinton. Neither are conservatives in any way, shape or form. More conservative than Obama, by a hair, maybe. But that's nothing a real conservative can settle for or rally behind. And if you want to argue strategy, gridlocking Obama with a Republican Congress for 4 years and then getting a conservative in there would probably be better than electing Romney.

56 posted on 04/29/2012 9:12:45 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: PeteB570

Pure nonsense.


57 posted on 04/29/2012 9:13:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.)
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To: PeteB570

As scary as a second Obama term might be, there is something infinitely scarier: American “conservatism” with no principles left.

There is no possible path back for this country without a return to this free republic’s moral principles, sir.

And when the only part of the electorate that could possibly lead such a return has abandoned any sense of right and wrong, purely out of fear or perceived political expedience, you’re creating the exact sort of political environment that led to Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.


58 posted on 04/29/2012 9:18:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Obama thanks you for your support.

Be assured that as a conservative who helped tube Mitt you will be afforded the best seats available on the train to the reeducation camps.


59 posted on 04/29/2012 9:21:13 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: PeteB570

Meh.

Typical Romney Republican nonsense.

You’re going to fit in just fine.


60 posted on 04/29/2012 9:23:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Huge!


61 posted on 04/29/2012 9:24:22 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: JediJones
Thanks for your thoughtful response.

I guess it all depends on how you perceive Romney - as either a doctrinaire Liberal or as a previous poster noted "an ambitious weather vane". I see the weather vane. Everything is negotiable with this guy.

And if you want to argue strategy, gridlocking Obama with a Republican Congress for 4 years...

This thread is about SC nominees. How does your strategy help this?

62 posted on 04/29/2012 9:43:29 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

The Democrats were able to block Bork, so it is possible for the opposition to sink a nominee. We were about 5 votes away from filibustering Kagan, 8 for Sotomayor, but couldn’t block Kagan because of the RINOs like Lugar, Graham, Snowe, Collins, etc.

There is also the possibility to pass laws which invalidate some Supreme Court rulings. Of course Constitutionally-based ones would require passing an amendment, but I’m not too sure how much liberal policy could be defended on a constitutional basis, since those arguments often come down in favor of more free speech.

But it’s true that the ability to appoint judges at all levels would be one of Obama’s powers that would be more difficult to hold in check.


63 posted on 04/29/2012 9:50:28 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Court balance?

Both appoint liberal judges.


64 posted on 04/29/2012 10:31:45 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Harry Reid would do everything he can to make it happen. It’s not like the GOP has a spine.


65 posted on 04/29/2012 10:35:05 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JediJones
But it’s true that the ability to appoint judges at all levels would be one of Obama’s powers that would be more difficult to hold in check.

If there wasn't going to be such a high number of SC replacements or if Obama wasn't so radical your strategy would have a lot of merit.

66 posted on 04/29/2012 1:06:26 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: JediJones
Republicans might be able to block one really-horrible Obama selection but then he would put up someone just as bad. If the person was a minority, it's less likely the Republicans will put up much of a fight. Remember Clinton's effort to pick an Attorney General--it took three tries but he got the kind of person he wanted (possibly worse than the two who were shot down).

I don't trust Romney on judges, but he could be pressured, especially in his first term if he hopes to get any conservative support for re-election. Like Mae West said to Cary Grant, "You can be had." We would have leverage with Romney, but none with Obama.

67 posted on 04/29/2012 3:01:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: jiggyboy

That would be possible if the rats had 60 Senators, but they don’t.


68 posted on 04/29/2012 11:45:55 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

It’s the only issue more important than the economy. But only us partisans focus on it. The sheeple masses are mostly clueless.


69 posted on 04/29/2012 11:46:40 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Last Dakotan

>All you Romney bashers on FR need to put on your big boy pants and consider what a Eric Holder nomination to the Supreme Court would mean.

Well, obviously fun for everyone.
And by ‘fun’ I don’t mean CWII, because the Kelo decision should have done *that*; it was, after all, a decision saying that the government can justify taking your property with nothing more than imagining (projecting) that it would generate some sort of taxable income.


70 posted on 04/30/2012 8:44:09 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: EternalVigilance

>Frankly, at this point in history, all the Romney Republican fear-mongering about judges does is disgust and anger me.

You and me both.
I’d vote for Obama sooner than Romney because at least Obama would be more polarizing and uniting his opponents; though, to be honest, given how the GOP has acted I don’t think there’s much hope (for good governance) in either of the parties.


71 posted on 04/30/2012 8:47:39 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: EternalVigilance

>Name one conservative Mitt Romney named to the courts in Massachusetts.

They’re all conservative, in that they “keep” things the way they are.
(This is why I hate precedent; it is nothing less than judges playing a game of ‘telephone’ with the jurisprudence... and then excusing themselves from any responsibility by saying “it was already that way.”)


72 posted on 04/30/2012 8:49:53 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Republic Rocker

>that will become a regret as our children and grandchild for generations get ruled on by Obama lasting court appointees.

That’s ridiculous on its face:
A SC Justice can be removed from office by 1) impeachment, & 2) committing a felony (Good behavior clause), and 3) assassination (why do you think they have US Marshall protection?).
The felony one would be absurdly easy to get them on; consider the Kelo decision wherein the court justified the use of a *projection* as satisfying the “public use” requirements of the 5th Amendment. US Code, Title 18, part 1, Sec 242 says:

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;
[...]
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

This is a felony offense; and given that in order to have a majority opinion the USSC has to have more than one person concurring so the “two or more” is satisfied. Furthermore, using their own decision as “proof” of the “constitutionality” of the ruling would be invalid; for one thing it presupposes that the USSC is greater than the Constitution, having the authority to alter it at will... for another it is the very act in question.


73 posted on 04/30/2012 9:04:02 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PeteB570

>I’ll hold my nose and vote for Ron Paul.

Question: Why would you have to hold your nose?


74 posted on 04/30/2012 9:11:36 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: EGPWS
After all, where is the conservative history behind Romney to guarantee this?

There isn't any.

75 posted on 04/30/2012 9:13:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Last Dakotan
All you Romney bashers on FR need to put on your big boy pants and consider what a Eric Holder nomination to the Supreme Court would mean.

He'd do less damage to the Constitution than would another Souter.

There may well come a time when there are five lawless judges on the Court. When that time comes, the only hope for the Republic will be for a significant portion of the populace to realize that although what the Constitution says, and what the Supreme Court says, will be one and the same when the court is doing its duty, there is nothing in the Supreme Law of the Land which gives the Supreme Court any authority to issue decisions contrary to it, much less anything which says such decisions should be regarded as superior to the Constitution.

The more overtly political the Court's leftist judges are, the more accepting people will be of the notion that an overt willingness on the part of some of the justices to ignore the Constitution does not change the Supreme Law of the Land. If in some case five judges openly ignore the Constitution, there may not be any remedy for the actual parties to that case, but nor is there any basis for declaring that the Constitution means the things claimed by judges who are overtly disregarding it.

76 posted on 05/02/2012 4:55:05 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat
Romney hasn't won the Conservative vote yet - and he knows he needs it.

I don't trust him either and I'd make him give up a short list of potential nominees.

77 posted on 05/03/2012 5:19:43 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan
All you Romney bashers on FR need to put on your big boy pants and consider what a Eric Holder nomination to the Supreme Court would mean.

Nice try, but the Republicans Congress would NEVER let that happen. Unlike the Czars, the SCOTUS nominees must undergo a vetting process in the Senate.

Everyone (including myself) who has decided not to vote for Mitt will still vote down-ticket-Republican. Obama WILL be a lame-duck president!

Personally I see it as safer than a Republican Congress that votes in favor of Romney bills for the sake of party unity. (see TARP, No Child, etc...)

Once again... FEAR MONGERING seems the only way you establishment people operate.
78 posted on 05/03/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Last Dakotan
Given that Romney has been political chameleon his whole career were we can have an effect is the background he plays against. VP, platform, Cabinet - even the House and Senate are all in play and ripe for conservative agitation.

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell us that Romney will move RIGHT as the campaign progresses???????

Good luck finding a Republican strategist (like Dick Morris) that agrees with that notion...
79 posted on 05/03/2012 12:47:43 PM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: JediJones
As far as Congress, enough Republicans will simply go along with anything he does because of the "R" after his name. Bush Sr. got taxes raised by getting moderate Republicans and Democrats to agree on a plan when conservatives balked on a plan that would not have raised taxes as high as he did. We just saw the same thing take place on the student loan issue, as the WSJ explained it. The subsidized interest rate will add $6 billion to the deficit next year and risks becoming a permanent, untouchable entitlement. Romney agreed with Obama on it, and the House GOP went along with it because they didn't want to "embarrass" their nominee. This is how RINO presidents work, and why they don't win reelection.

::SLOW CLAP:: Well-said, sir.
80 posted on 05/03/2012 12:52:25 PM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Last Dakotan
All you Romney bashers on FR need to put on your big boy pants and consider what a Eric Holder nomination to the Supreme Court would mean

Well said!

81 posted on 05/03/2012 1:02:51 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: libdestroyer

Using your logic we should vote for Democratic Party Presidents every election.


82 posted on 05/03/2012 4:29:29 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

>Using your logic we should vote for Democratic Party Presidents every election.

No, just the ones where our party puts up another Democrat.


83 posted on 05/03/2012 7:17:10 PM PDT by libdestroyer
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