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Cut world population and redistribute resources, expert urges
Guardian UK ^ | 4/26/2012 | John Vidal

Posted on 04/27/2012 9:35:49 AM PDT by JohnKinAK

The world's most renowned population analyst has called for a massive reduction in the number of humans and for natural resources to be redistributed from the rich to the poor.

Paul Ehrlich, Bing professor of population studies at Stanford University in California and author of the best-selling Population Bomb book in 1968, goes much further than the Royal Society in London which this morning said that physical numbers were as important as the amount of natural resources consumed.

Link to this audio The optimum population of Earth – enough to guarantee the minimal physical ingredients of a decent life to everyone – was 1.5 to 2 billion people rather than the 7 billion who are alive today or the 9 billion expected in 2050, said Ehrlich in an interview with the Guardian.

"How many you support depends on lifestyles. We came up with 1.5 to 2 billion because you can have big active cities and wilderness. If you want a battery chicken world where everyone has minimum space and food and everyone is kept just about alive you might be able to support in the long term about 4 or 5 billion people. But you already have 7 billion. So we have to humanely and as rapidly as possible move to population shrinkage."

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Crazy Satanic Eugenicists.
1 posted on 04/27/2012 9:35:50 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

It’s appalling that this worthless loon gets the attention that he does. Being a leftist creep means never having to say “I was wrong.”


2 posted on 04/27/2012 9:37:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: JohnKinAK

He may have a point......as long as he starts with the radicals of the world. Once they are eliminated, let’s see where we stand. So much for the Middle East.


3 posted on 04/27/2012 9:38:36 AM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: JohnKinAK

As long as all the commies and leftest go first :) I am all for population shrinkage :)


4 posted on 04/27/2012 9:38:42 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: JohnKinAK
OK Paul,

You go first and lead the way.

5 posted on 04/27/2012 9:39:04 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JohnKinAK

Okay Paul, you go first.

Maroon!


6 posted on 04/27/2012 9:39:40 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: JohnKinAK
Paul Ehrlich, Bing professor of population studies at Stanford University in California and author of the best-selling fully discredited Population Bomb book in 1968

There. Fixed it.

7 posted on 04/27/2012 9:40:06 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Lets see him and his family all go first.


8 posted on 04/27/2012 9:40:42 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I’ll buy it. But he goes first.


9 posted on 04/27/2012 9:41:15 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Is he going to lead by example and sacrifice himself?


10 posted on 04/27/2012 9:41:31 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: JohnKinAK
Crazy Satanic Eugenicists.

Well, 2/3 of the world's population will die during the Great Tribulation.

11 posted on 04/27/2012 9:42:35 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: JohnKinAK

“a battery chicken world”????????

WTF????????


12 posted on 04/27/2012 9:42:35 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: JohnKinAK

It’s interesting how these “experts” always want to initiate their Utopian schemes by cutting other people’s population and redistributing other people’s stuff.


13 posted on 04/27/2012 9:43:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Getting from here to there is easy: famine, plague, genocide, or nuclear war will do it. Exactly which of those options is this honest liberal advocating?

Personally, I’m happy to be in a world with seven billion people and food for seven billion. There are distribution issues, almost always brought about by corrupt leftist governments, but we have enough food, water, land, and energy for the current population. I do not want a nuclear war or even a global conventional war. I do not want plague or famine to wipe out the weak or those without political connections. I do not want eugenics “experts” to decide who lives and who is not worth keeping. But I’m not a liberal, so my opinions do not count for those building their far-left Utopia.


14 posted on 04/27/2012 9:43:29 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: JohnKinAK

Paul Ehrlich is labeled as an expert? This guy’s been wrong in every prediction he’s made in the last 40 years. Hmmm, maybe that’s why he IS called an expert.


15 posted on 04/27/2012 9:45:19 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: JohnKinAK

Well, that didn’t take long. Yes, I think Paul really needs to set us an example. What on earth is he doing, a chaired professor at Stanford, blowing out greenhouse gasses with every bloviating breath he takes, when he could have set us an example many years ago?

Come on, Paul. It’s not too late!


16 posted on 04/27/2012 9:45:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JohnKinAK

I believe Paul Ehrlich should be the first one to depart this earth and leave the resources for the rest of us.


17 posted on 04/27/2012 9:45:43 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: JohnKinAK; Carry_Okie

Ehrlich is at Stanford?

man...


18 posted on 04/27/2012 9:45:46 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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Gee, Paul’s predictions have been so accurate in the past...


19 posted on 04/27/2012 9:46:36 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: JohnKinAK

This guy is still emitting CO2?


20 posted on 04/27/2012 9:47:57 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Don’t you just love it when atheists tell us what we SHOULD do?


21 posted on 04/27/2012 9:48:21 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Surrounded_too; All

” Is he going to lead by example and sacrifice himself?”

Folks, we have a WINNER!!


22 posted on 04/27/2012 9:49:07 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: D-fendr

So bad God doesn’t agree.

Resources are scattered they way they are. Human ability is scattered the way it is.

Another pointy-headed professor trying to correct God.


23 posted on 04/27/2012 9:49:35 AM PDT by plangent
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To: JohnKinAK

I must have missed the chapter in History when the resources of the World were “distributed” in the first place.

Who “distributed” them?

It seems to me my ancestors didn’t wait for anyone to “distribute” anything - they came here and they took what they could and earned what they made.

As such I was in a better position to take what I have and to earn what I have earned than those whose ancestors did not leave them so well positioned - but instead left to their posterity an inheritance of corrupt governance, ignorance, poverty and disease.


24 posted on 04/27/2012 9:50:14 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: JohnKinAK
Cut world population and redistribute resources, expert urges

Under his worldview, how about we just shoot his ass and re-distribute his resources to the rest of us?

Nihilists like this guy never like their own beliefs carried out on them. They think they are elite, above the consequences of their philosophy.

They are wrong.

25 posted on 04/27/2012 9:50:22 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: JohnKinAK
The world's most renowned population analyst has called for a massive reduction in the number of humans and for natural resources to be redistributed from the rich to the poor.

This could explain project 21. That could be why they're trying to get as many people as possible into a group - the cities. They'll be easier to eliminate if they're packed into a nice, neat little box. (BTW, if there's a "plague" alert, and medicine is given through the nose, run the other way. Leave the city before the roads are blocked.)

If you live in a city, look around. Please consider moving out. It may be a scary thought to leave what you know, but in the end you'll be much better off.
(Preppers aren't prepping for nothing. They sense something, even thought they're not exactly sure what it is they fear. They can smell it in the air.)

26 posted on 04/27/2012 9:50:53 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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Some hits from the past of “the world’s most renowned population analyst:”

• “The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s the world will undergo famines… [AND] hundreds of millions of people [including Americans] are going to starve to death.” (1968)

• “I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.” (1969)

• “Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity… in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion.” (1976)


27 posted on 04/27/2012 9:54:14 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: concerned about politics

100 million dying for the good of world socialism
in the 20th century wasn’t enough for these crazy leftists, now they want to kill 5 billion people.

Liberalism is a death cult


28 posted on 04/27/2012 9:56:43 AM PDT by Willie681
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I think by "battery chicken", he means one of many chickens kept in a "battery" of cages, i.e. one of the eeeevil "factory farms".


29 posted on 04/27/2012 9:57:30 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It’s interesting how these “experts” always want to initiate their Utopian schemes by cutting other people’s population and redistributing other people’s stuff.

Exactly. They're control freaks suffering from a God complex. The world needs to wake up, and demand those who have ideas show us how willing they are to be the first to use them. Let's see the Kerrys, the Kennedys, the Pelosis, the Reids share THEIR wealth first. Maybe after they're down to less than $250K a year themselves, we'll consider listening.

30 posted on 04/27/2012 9:57:36 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

He isn’t following his own advice. He has a daughter. He is part of the problem using his distorted logic.


31 posted on 04/27/2012 9:58:03 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Paladin2

You know, there is some irony in this. Before one can afford non-productive members of society, a minimum number of farmers, mechanics, engineers, etc, are required.

Sociology teachers are just food on the hoof, at best.

Oddly, they do not seem to know that.

Perhaps they thin the remaining civilization will cater to their needs?

I suspect not.


32 posted on 04/27/2012 9:59:52 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: JohnKinAK

I read recently that these so called one world government types think that the earth needs to be culled down to 500 million and not one person more. So, who choses to murder the 7.5 billion that needs to go??


33 posted on 04/27/2012 10:00:10 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (He has Risen!!! If you do not know Him, this is the perfect week to seek Him out!!!)
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To: JohnKinAK
So we have to humanely and as rapidly as possible move to population shrinkage.”

Quick trip to the gas chamber for you. It'll all be over in a few minutes, you'll hardly feel a thing. We left-wing control freaks know what's best for you.
34 posted on 04/27/2012 10:00:28 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: JohnKinAK
Exterminate!
36 posted on 04/27/2012 10:03:39 AM PDT by rotstan
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To: RetiredArmy
So, who choses to murder the 7.5 billion that needs to go??

The one world government types, or course.

And don't call it nasty things like murder. It's "assisted dying". After all, everybody dies. We're just going to help them do it sooner.

37 posted on 04/27/2012 10:04:34 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: JohnKinAK

The only thing Paul Ehrlich is “expert” in is being spectacularly wrong.


38 posted on 04/27/2012 10:06:41 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: JohnKinAK; All
On a FR thread some time ago, a poster made this comment:

"This is worse than before. What we are now being forced to pay for is essentially a government funded and (as yet) indirectly government administered population control program." - livius

Writers have been exposing socialism's tyrannical principles and goals for a century now. Those who have understood it best declared that its policies lead to tyranny and oppression.

Yet, we have arrogant Americans, born in liberty, and viewing themselves as "intellectuals" and "progressives," who have embraced socialist ideas over the ideas of liberty and are determined to impose its deadly limitations on a once-free people. Note the writer's warning that the "scheme of socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes the power of restraining the increase of population."

From the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), originally published in 1891, Chapter 1, excerpted final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. The struggle for life provides for the various wants of the human race, in somewhat the same way as the climatic struggle of the elements provides for vegetable and animal life—imperfectly, that is, and in a manner strongly marked by inequalities and anomalies. By taking advantage of prevalent tendencies, it is possible to mitigate these anomalies and inequalities, but all experience shows that it is impossible to do away with them. All history, moreover, is the record of the triumph of Individualism over something which was virtually Socialism or Collectivism, though not called by that name. In early days, and even at this day under archaic civilisations, the note of social life is the absence of freedom. But under every progressive civilisation, freedom has made decisive strides—broadened down, as the poet says, from precedent to precedent. And it has been rightly and naturally so.
I.46
"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."
EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON

39 posted on 04/27/2012 10:07:40 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: JohnKinAK

I am thinking that rather than reducing the NUMBER of people we should just reduce their SIZE — drastically. Through genetic engineering and selective breeding we could probably reduce the average human size by fifty percent over a few generations.

Think of the energy savings and the abundance of natural resources that could be conserved. A current home could shelter several families, a single cow may feed a village for maonth, and cars would get so much smaller that we could “widen” freeways by merely re-striping them. What a paradise.

Of course, special exemptions will be established for NFL and NBA players.


40 posted on 04/27/2012 10:07:59 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: RetiredArmy
So, who choses to murder the 7.5 billion that needs to go??

All the liberals I know do nothing but sit around (living off someone else) and dictate how others should live. Most are too lazy to even shower. Usually, their hair is so greasy, they could make their own soap.
These are the people who will decide. The "evil" producers, those with jobs, will have to go. It's not fair they have houses, cars, and new shoes.
Of course, after all the productive people have been eliminated, they'll have to decide which liberal will have to....ugh! work and make their bread so all the others can continue to eat.
They would be sooooo screwed. Not one of them would want to budge, let alone know how to make a loaf of bread.

41 posted on 04/27/2012 10:10:10 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: JohnKinAK
I say we start by euthanizing Paul Ehrlich and giving all his stuff away.
42 posted on 04/27/2012 10:10:20 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: JohnKinAK

Exemptions from World population cut:

1) Members of the religion of Peace—reducing them would be nonPC

2) Africans—reducing them would be Racist

3) Many of the Spanish speaking nations in North/South America—they were exploited already by Yankee imperialists

4) Homosexuals

5) Indigenous people in the third world—more victims of Western Civilization Exploitation

So, who does that leave:

1) Asians—they will tell the Eugenic crowd to F Off
2) Hindus’—Ditto
3) Israel —already the #1 target for population reduction
4) European/North/South American Whites—#2 on the list and already committing demographic suicide.


43 posted on 04/27/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: RetiredArmy

Google “Georgia Guidestones”


44 posted on 04/27/2012 10:11:49 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Isn’t he dead yet? Seems rather hypocritical that he’s still around?


45 posted on 04/27/2012 10:13:06 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Can’t one of this guy’s friends read Atlas Shrugged and gently tell him he should stop stealing his lines from the book’s villains? :)


46 posted on 04/27/2012 10:25:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: JohnKinAK
So we have to humanely and as rapidly as possible move to population shrinkage."

Who is "we?" Are "they" all going to commit mass suicide?

47 posted on 04/27/2012 10:34:24 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: JohnKinAK
The word "DISPATCH" kept coming to mind. He kept saying his predictions mostly came to be. Yet, here we are. It is for their on good...donchasee.
48 posted on 04/27/2012 10:37:45 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

You did read that last little zinger.....the republicans want to redistribute......not a word about the Kenyan.


49 posted on 04/27/2012 10:39:24 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: concerned about politics

The Poets and the Preppers are ringing the warning bell.


50 posted on 04/27/2012 10:41:37 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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