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To: BlackElk
I say if, IF, Romney is the GOP nominee, I shall put aside my antipathy for him and vote for him, and encourage many others to do so. This is based on a premise and circumstance that you find faulty: i.e., the Two Party System and voting for the lesser of two evils.

Furthermore, while trimming the genoa on the Cyrano I learned that one does not often get where one is going on one tack. If we take the House and Senate, Romney's feet will be held sufficiently to the fire, IMO.

What other reason could there be for someone posing as a conservative to support the Massachusetts mushball, pro-abort, family institution destroying, socialized medicine enthusing, serial lying, utterly coreless, global warming flunky, tax hiking (on ordinary folks only to shift the burden from his spoiled and privileged Wall Street financiers) etc. Romney is a useless POS who will not only wreck this country but also leave it without even an opposition party to bipartisan Obamunism.

What or whom do you suggest as an alternative to Romney for removing Obama from office? A brokered convention? I am open to suggestion. We are living in a strange time: the death throes of the Republican Party. It's ugly, but we have not yet figured out how to replace it without abandoning the field to the Democrats, which I greatly fear a Third party candidate would do, as Perot did to GHWB .

Politic means dealing with ambiguity. If you wish to have a political party in which everyone agrees with you, permit me to suggest a European venue for your political activities.

361 posted on 04/30/2012 4:57:52 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Kenny Bunk; BlackElk

I do not attempt to speak for our august Black Elk, but for me, your speaking to tolerance of political “ambiguity” seems to encompass being tolerant of outright lying. My basic benchmark for a person seeking to hold office is that they don’t lie to me. Most Democrats lie. Zero is a liar. Willard is a liar, and a pathological one at that. I’ve followed Willard for 18 years since his candidacy for the Senate enough to know him quite well. If he ends up officially receiving the nomination, the GOP will have accomplished something absolutely remarkable... they will have nominated someone even worse than the Democrat incumbent. You’d have to go back to James Blaine in 1884 to find such a scenario. Unfortunately, Zero is no Grover Cleveland.

Seriously, if I were canvassing for Slick Willard, how could I tell anyone he was honest and trustworthy ? He’s not. If he doesn’t have that, how can you persuade a fence-sitter or any Conservative to go his way when the incumbent is no different ? Willard’s deceitfulness will get the entire party painted with his sins. Look at all the good Conservatives and Republicans who lost in 1974 because they were punished for Nixon ? We can’t allow that to happen.


364 posted on 04/30/2012 5:11:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Kenny Bunk; fieldmarshaldj; Dr. Sivana; fish hawk; cripplecreek; Mozilla; EternalVigilance
See, the difference between thee and me that you find impossible to grasp is what I posted again and again and again during the primary season and continue and SHALL continue to believe and stick to like glue. Namely: Job #1 was to defeat Romney. IF AND ONLY IF, Job #1 was successfully accomplished, we could move on to Job #2 which is to defeat Obozo. If Romney was not defeated along with the absolutely sinister and soulless unprincipled forces who support him with zillions of bucks to slander and libel anyone and everyone running as an actual Republican or actual conservative, but I repeat myself, then Job #2 comes right off the table.

Obozo is a despicable Marxist anti-American, baby-killing, marriage destroying, gun grabbing, medicine socializing, global "warming" hallucinating and taxing, tax raising (on ordinary folks), elitist, envirowhacko, leftist judge nominating, etc., Catholic and other church persecuting nether end of the digestive tract of the McGovernite revolutionaries who run the Demonrat Party.

That makes Obozo, in effect, little different from Robamney UNLESS you are a member of the trust fund class which I and most here emphatically am (are) not. Robamney gives conservatives absolutely nothing and even refuses to credibly pay his customary lying lip service to conservative values on those (non-social) issues where the gullible might believe him.

The clincher is that Robamney is the gravest nominated enemy of the Republican Party and of conservatism who dares to purchase (there is absolutely no reason other than mountains of money that funded his lies) ever to be nominated. He makes such feckless idiots as Herbert Hoover, James G. Blaine, and Gerald Ford look like giants of the GOP. It never appeared that any of those three imbeciles ever hated the GOP as such. Robamney does.

History is not at stake permanently in each election. The future holds unrevealed history which we cannot see clearly in advance. We see through the proverbial glass darkly. We must act on the evidence we have. Obozo is NOT superman just because we hate his abysmal Marxist guts. Don't kid yourself. ANYONE named Romney holds views greatly similar to Obozo. Elect Romney and he will demonstrate his grasp of the power of money to guarantee via jobs and contracts his ability to ruin the GOP and control its image, its policies and its destiny far into the future.

You want to vote for evil? Feel free. That will be between you and God when the time comes. Conservatives will give you every assistance and opportunity to repent at leisure. The Two Party System, in its present degenerate condition be da*ned unless the GOP can do a LOT better than to nominate an absolute ideological treason weasel like Robamney and with him let us also dispose of the Robamney sell-out alikes who hold so many GOP Senate seats and House leadership positions.

It may well be that the Citizens United was correct and that it allows greater freedom. I have my doubts. If Citizens United was correct, the next step, as amply proved in this year's primary contests is that it must be a conservative principle that ANY mushball like Robamney who tries to buy the GOP nomination in the future by the same despicable tactics of media carpetbombing he used this year must be beaten for his anti-conservative behavior AND for his disgusting use of money to slander and libel all actual conservatives and Republicans in the field. Make the rejection of any such candidate and tactics in both the primaries and the general election as automatic as the rejection of Ron Paul's McGovernite/Paulistinian foreign policy.

Anyone with REAL ANTIPATHY to Robamney will not vote for him. The alternative for each and every actual conservative is to lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. The alternative to Romney is defeating Romney and his fifth columnists in the GOP.

Your problem and that of those who agree with you is that you sooooo understandably hate Obama that you have lost all perspective and are willing to destroy the GOP and the nation itself in order to get at Obozo. Better you should heed St. Thomas More's sage advice to the twerp Richard White about what will happen after White has destroyed the law to protect against it shielding Satan and to facilitate his hunting down Satan and then asks what White will do when, freed of any legal restraint, Satan turns on Richard White unobstructed.

My alternative? First, an obsession with defeating Obozo is no longer on the table so long as Robamney stands to be elected in such an event. Second, whether or not Robamney is elected, destroying him and his control of the GOP and his cadre of wealthy benefactors comes next. In whatever opportunity may arise this year (by brokered convention or any other means), support any reasonably conservative Republican as once the conservative movement supported for sixteen years and ultimately elected Ronaldus Maximus in two national triumphant landslides.

Let me remind you that when the movement got its way and stomped the mushball elitists, Ronaldus Maximus lost only Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Minnesota, Rhode Island and West Virginia in 1980 and only Minnesota in 1984. That means that Reagan TWICE took such states as Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois. Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin, and another 30 states. Reagan did that as a hard core conservative and humiliated any remaining moderates much less liberals. Then, with GHWB, we returned to wimpy, cowering BUSINESS uber alles (and insane proposals for a "New World Order") as usual.

Next, I would have supported anyone running this year OTHER than Robamney, Huntsman or Paul and, at one time or another, I did depending upon who was Robamney's strongest opponent of the week. I voted for Santorum in the Illinois primary and regarded him as the best candidate available as well. The same tactics that were used by Robamney were also employed by comparative mushball and slave of leadership Adam Kinzinger in defeating my Congressman. It was the usual formula: mountains of corrupt money to spread non-stop lies and slanders against Don Manzullo. I shall neither forgive nor forget this year's despicable campaigns of Robamney and Kinzinger. Kinzinger's grass-roots Tea Party opposition candidate in the next GOP primary (2014) is organizing as we post.

As to POTUS candidates for the future or in a brokered convention (not very likely such a convention), give me Sarah Palin. She ran for governor because she was offended by the bipartisan corporate corruption in the oil and gas businesses in Alasks, defeated Lisa Murkowski's utterly corrupt daddykins Frank Murkowski who was the incumbent and, in fact, drove him into THIRD place in the primary. Sarah left Frank Murkowski's bloody mangled political corpse in the gutter where it belonged. I want her to do the same honors on Romneyites and the other Demonrats and particularly to the corrupt money people on both sides of the aisle. I don't care if she runs as a Republican or as a flat-Earther or as the 1950s Rock 'n' Roller or as a candidate of the Amelia Earhart Party or on the Mama Grizzly Party. In this era, she is the goods until anyone better comes along. She also knows how to ride as a last minute passenger on the back of a Harley in Rolling Thunder (while Romney munches watercress sandwiches), is the ultimate candidate to have over to your house for a barbeque or for dinner, and unlike trash like Robamney has a full range of actual PRINCIPLES. What a concept. Name Scott Walker of Wisconsin as VP or run him if she won't run. Marco Rubio dispatched Charlie Lavender Crist and that is a great recommendation in itself AND he KNOWS why his parents came here from Cuba and he can eloquently explain it and how much that family loves this country and why. Assuming that he defeats elitist LGov Dewhurst in the Texas Senate primary, we should look at Ted Cruz who also has Cuban refugee ancestry and is apparently the single best insurgent this year. Indiana's next governor, Mike Pence, ought to be considered. I could name more but only at the expense of the most important tactic for 2016: The conservative movement MUST be reconstituted and must accept the discipline of its trustworthy leaders in the selection, no later than 9/2015, of ONE AND ONLY ONE candidate for POTUS and wage absolute WAR on that candidate's behalf and against the genuinely evil Wall Street greedheads who have caused the disaster of 2012. Rule or ruin now and forever

"While trimming the genoa on the Cyrano" must have a meaning but it escapes me unless you are referencing a type of sail (a genoa) and one of Bill Buckley's boats (the Cyrano) and a tactic (tacking such a sail) to sail into the wind. My wife gets the credit for that potential translation other than the Cyrano. I was certainly acquainted with Bill but not because of his yachting hobby. Care to elucidate?

Oh, that must be verrrry good stuff you smoke if you think that most of the sorry SOBs in the GOP Senate caucus will resist Robamney at all.

The direct hell bent for leather approach to politics will NOT work among the perfumed and powdered limp wrists of Europe eager as they are to try any fantasy at all to preserve their beloved atheism and socialism and baby-killing and lavender coddling. Maggie Thatcher was the last leader in Europe willing to wear the pants. If you find Robamney even vaguely supportable, no matter the excuse, YOU should go to Europe: See David Cameron of the formerly Great Britain. Ambiguity is a false god.

Finally, you concede that we are witnessing the ugly death throes of the GOP but you insist on holding onto the rear deck railings on the GOP Titanic, after it is broken in half and after the forward half has sunk and as the vertical rear portion has begun to sink straight into the Atlantic. There are lifeboats and not all are full and the ocean water is below 40 degrees and not survivable by swimming or even treading water. Truly remarkable and all because of what amounts to Obama derangement syndrome.

Strike up the band: Nearer My God to Thee.....

365 posted on 05/01/2012 4:02:29 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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