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To: redgolum; Mrs. Don-o; Tax-chick; Dr. Sivana; ArrogantBustard; ninenot; shibumi
Redgolum:

"The more progressive ones" are in a perilous (from their POV) state of decline.

The surprise election of Timothy Cardinal Dolan of New York (whose brother in their hometown of St. Louis, MO, is said to be a conservative radio talk show host) as president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops over the left radical Bishop Kicanas of Tucson (one of the late and unlamented Joseph Cardinal Bernardin's boys) was the first upset in the history of USCCB in which an insurgent nomination came off the floor to defeat the incumbent vice-president and stopping his ascendancy to the presidency of USCCB.

75 year old Francis Cardinal George of Chicago (former president of USCCB) recently wrote in his archdiocesan newspaper (in protest of Obozocare and the HHS regs) that he expects to die in bed, that he expects his successor to die in prison and he expects the successor of the one who dies in prison to be slain in the public square. Cardinal George has heretofore been notable for being a faithful Catholic but one who is modest and somewhat moderate in his choice of language in his communications to his flock.

The Vatican, through attrition, is systematically cleansing the worst cesspool states where the bishops have previously been trendy liberals: Texas, California, Illinois and soon New York. Actual Catholics are being appointed to each diocese that falls vacant by age or death or transfer.

B-XVI has now issued a directive for dealing with the political and ecclesiastical revolutionaries, new agers, enneagram fanatics, "centering prayer" occultists and all purpose heathens who run the major orders of nuns in the United States as a permanent ongoing revolution against their ecclesiastical superiors and, well, God.

God is not finished with us yet and, if the recent trends and policies continue, you may be positively impressed by the improvements in what used to be reviled as "AmChurch." A lot more Catholics than you may imagine are politically conservative as well as pro-life, pro-family religious conservatives. That includes many of us who come from the old private sector labor union families of yesteryear. My parents were both factory workers until my mother took a pay cut from her garment workers' job to be a clerical worker at Yale.

Virtually every older relative of mine was a labor union liberal (on private sector labor matters) in the 1950s. Virtually none of my relatives are Democrats today since they have all chosen Republican politics because they are pro-life and pro-family as actual Catholics. Many are Knights of Columbus and members of Ladies' Eucharistic Leagues. They recognize "progressivism" as the source of the moral evils in our society. We (my extended family members) are not hostile to generous care of the elderly, of the deserving poor, or of the physically crippled. We can remember so many of our own family who had fallen into such categories in the past. It has been our privilege to do our part privately. Nonetheless, even fifty years ago, NONE of them sympathized with the welfare state or welfare dependency as a way of life, even when they were still Democrats.

Finally, recognizing you as a non-Catholic serious Christian of good will and good faith, may I suggest that you take a look at the execrable National (anti-)Catholic Reporter which you may access at ncronline.com to witness the rage of the seriously aging and dying "progressive" crowd who falsely claim Catholicism. Today's issue is particularly filled with anti-Vatican venom. Pay particular attention to the reams of responses to their articles from their handful of readers. It is like reading the New York Times' readers responses to Maureen Dowd or David Brooks or Paul Krugman. As their pagan predecessors used to say: Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad!

I read NCR to know the dwindling enemy within and to do unofficial penance for my sins. And to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude.

God bless you and yours!

25 posted on 04/24/2012 4:03:47 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk

-— B-XVI has now issued a directive for dealing with the political and ecclesiastical revolutionaries, new agers, enneagram fanatics, “centering prayer” occultists and all purpose heathens who run the major orders of nuns in the United States as a permanent ongoing revolution against their ecclesiastical superiors and, well, God.-—

They traded it all in for enneagrams, of all things.

Good post.


26 posted on 04/24/2012 4:09:48 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk; redgolum
BlackElk, thankee for reading the bad NCR so I don't have to. Your post is a light unto mine eyes.

Let us exercise the supernatural power of love which Christ has given us, and pray for Joan Chittister OSB and her dismayed sisterhood. I knew her very well 25 years ago: very well. I do pray that the Lord Christ can work the enemy's grappling hooks out of her and pull her to safety at the last. (What I would want for myself, too.) She will be 76 in two days, April 26.

28 posted on 04/24/2012 6:39:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Vivat Jesus.)
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To: BlackElk
Very good points. My old pastor in Lincoln said that he expected open persecution within 15 years. My wife's priest said the same (I often wondered if the pastor and priest drank together in old German fashion). We are heading into a dark time, and have to decide if we leave, go quietly, or done the armor and charge. I fear for the future of my daughter, but I am not worried about myself. My family back in Germany is rather small, because they had a bad habit of calling a spade a spade back in the bad old days. I will follow the old family tradition if it comes to it (God give me strength).

My experience has been the opposite of yours. Half of my family is Catholic, and all of them are very liberal Democrats. My comments about the “good” of abortion on a different thread come from some of them. Some on my wife's side do not talk to me because I am to “orthodox”. Now that is a rather select sample group, and if you add into the two dioceses of which I have contact with (Davenport and Peoria), it is rather interesting to see where and who has iron in the spine.

I pray that the night won't fall. I fear that it it will. Either way, here I stand, in the shadow of the cross and at the door of the open tomb. I can do no other. So help me God.

29 posted on 04/24/2012 6:52:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BlackElk
... [Cdl. George] expects to die in bed, that he expects his successor to die in prison and he expects the successor of the one who dies in prison to be slain in the public square.

That's scary, BlackElk. Not because I'm afraid for my own life ... I'm ready to die charging the barricades, frankly, because patient endurance for another 45 years or so is tougher. And I've got some children with combative personalities who will go out in a blaze of glory, given the opportunity.

However, I'm afraid for the babies. I know the Enemy's people hate me - because I've seen how much they hate Sarah - and I don't care, but they hate the babies even more. It's a Bishop's job to die at the altar or in the plaza, but so many worse things will happen.

36 posted on 04/25/2012 5:43:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ten the hard way.)
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