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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; dragnet2; ...
Now it might be a smart thing to do to propose ‘compassionate’ looking immigration reforms and let the Hispanics watch Democrats kill them.

In real life it could be amended to include path to citizenship before a vote and backfire.

I think Dems would kill a Rubio-style dream act (no voting rights, assuming Pelosi/Reid didn't swindle the GOP), but suppose they passed it. Then:

1) They would claim that a small number of illegals would qualify, but squishy language in the law could multiply the numbers who qualified, especially with the help of rogue judges.

(NOTE for following comment: It refers to POLITICAL "XXXX-Studies" programs. I have great respect for Hispanic literature, music, philosophy, etc. I have read Borges, Unamuno, Marti, etc. in Spanish.) They could create bogus political college programs for "Reconquista Studies," "Dream Act Studies," etc. even worse than the ones we have now.

And of course even current family-based immigration policy would make the number legalized grow exponentially.

2) I believe such a "Dream Act" would become a laboratory for leftists and RINOs to develop tactics to promote general amnesty, while trying to add voting to that "Dream Act" by hook or crook.

The GOP is NOT going to win elections by out-pandering the Dems. If GWB had "seen us at the signing" as he promised, McCain might get an extra 1 or 2 percent of Cal. Hispanics, but he would still lose that state big time. The Left would have methodically and inevitably used amnesty to build unbeatable national majorities, and there would be no legal remedy after that.

Maybe Rubio should emulate Obama by promising amnesty in the first year and then not do it.

57 posted on 04/22/2012 1:34:42 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

So another of the AMNESTY Bill advocates of the RINO Party gets well outed...

Mario and Willard are a good team...


63 posted on 04/22/2012 6:29:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”GOP is NOT going to win elections by out-pandering the Dems

I don't really see how Republican win. What do they stand FOR that appeals to most American voters considering the massive change in demographics the past ~15 years?

Their message is : “ Vote against Obama because you are mad at him because things are bad.” But his personal likability is still high much higher than Republicans. The economic conditions are crappy but unless the opposing side can convince the voters that they have a better approach that will not make them winners. Hispanics are going to pose a big problem for Republicans this election.

I agree that giving in on anything risks incremental-ism, rather than backlash against the other side,

64 posted on 04/22/2012 6:51:48 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”Now it might be a smart thing to do to propose ‘compassionate’ looking immigration reforms and let the Hispanics watch Democrats kill them.
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I think Dems would kill a Rubio-style dream act (no voting rights, assuming Pelosi/Reid didn't swindle the GOP), but suppose they passed it.

There is an art to this type of warfare. Dems have perfected it.
What they do is once it looks like the other side might go for it then slip in a amendment for condition in that Dems cant possibly support. Then be prepared to claim that deal was struck between parties but the extremists on the Dem side forced their leaders to reject it. And name it something like :”The immigration fairness for all reform Act”

Try this FOR EXAMPLE: all that apply must sign a swearing statement that they will never apply for citizenship under the penalty of deportation . That should kill it.

66 posted on 04/22/2012 7:20:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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