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Hatch didn't make it he has to run in Primary!!!!
Fox News | 4/21/2012 | taildragger

Posted on 04/21/2012 12:33:46 PM PDT by taildragger

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To: taildragger

This is good news. What was it I heard about the Tea Party being dead? While I may not look at Hatch as the biggest threat I believe it is important that in deep red states we have deep red Senators and House Members. Lugar is also in trouble. They tried to spin early vote as being a Lugar advantage but 49% refuse to say they are voting for him. That is pretty bad.

I’d also like to see Jamie Radtke give Allen a run for his money though I’ll support Allen
if her wins. Its about principles first. If we can get people in that vote principle and will not compromise then we have a liberty firewall regardless of what happens whether it is a bad Democrat or bad Republicans who think that just because they are in power that they can spend as they wish and we won’t notice.

We need Sons and Daughters of the Revolution who will not simply go along to get along while the country burns. If we can’t elect strong liberty minded defenders of liberty in red states tell me where we are going to elect them?

141 posted on 04/21/2012 3:37:01 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Theodore R.

Insanity! Public schools are a scourge!!

Neither are conservatives!!

142 posted on 04/21/2012 3:38:02 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Maelstorm

George Allen has his limits, as Virginians know. He couldn’t even explain what is a Macaca! And I never knew either.

143 posted on 04/21/2012 3:38:39 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: ngat

Freepers in general are people who are aware of what is going on, so they assume other Freepers are too, and should not have to waste their time recounting all the info that is common knowledge as to why any conservative would want some other conservative to replace Hatch.


While I appreciate your eventual explanation as to why you think Hatch should be replaced, I take exception to the snarky and condescending tone of your opening remark, especially when I was very respectful in posing my question.

I consider myself quite highly informed politically and anybody who knows me at all would never accuse me otherwise. That said, I also don’t just blindly follow the pack and pile on somebody just because others label them a “RINO”. Lately on FR, I’ve seen the RINO term get slapped at one point or another on literally everyone from Jim DeMint to Marco Rubio to Tom Coburn to Paul Ryan to Nikki Haley to Bob McDonnell to Rick Santorum to Newt Gingrich to Sean Hannity to Laura Ingraham, etc. etc. etc. It’s a term too frivolously bandied about here and in some cases has been used to smear otherwise good and decent conservatives whenever honest principled disagreements may exist.

I still find it curious that a widely respected conservative organization like The Heritage Foundation gives Orrin Hatch such a high rating for conservative principled legislation and am simply wondering why that’s the case? I also realize he’s 80-years-old, been a U.S. Senator now for 36 years now, and that a good argument can certainly be made for him to call it a career and turn his seat over to a younger, more ambitious and committed Tea Party successor.

144 posted on 04/21/2012 3:54:46 PM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: DestroyLiberalism

In 1998 Hatch , Kay Baily , & Lott decided there would be no witnesses to testify in clinton’s trial for removal from office . Only Phil Graham argued for it to continue . I never voted for Kay again .

Yes , I hold a grudge .

145 posted on 04/21/2012 4:06:37 PM PDT by katykelly
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To: Longbow1969

that would be the Moromnophobes

AKA Christian Taliban

146 posted on 04/21/2012 4:14:25 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Longbow1969
We hate Moronism. Mittens is a Moron Bishop. I don't hate the Osmonds who are Mormon, but Morons like Willard? No right thinking person wants to be one, let alone elect one to the highest office.

Make Newt a part of your daily breakfast. Newt, for Conservatism, for when milqtoast just won't cut it.

147 posted on 04/21/2012 4:26:32 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: conservativebuckeye

I’ve seen two Lugar signs.....They were both in the same yard. Lots of Fire Lugar and Mourdock sign. (Also have seen many Paul signs for month, but none for any other Presidential candidate.

148 posted on 04/21/2012 4:35:08 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: bert

You, my friend, can be replaced.

149 posted on 04/21/2012 4:35:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Utah Binger
This is what he gets for thinking he is living in the past.

Hatch is the perfect example of someone who says one thing back home and does another thing in D.C. I cannot believe there can be anyone who doesn't understand that, especially in this day in age when news travels at the speed of light and communication exists outside the lame-stream media, that what happens in D.C., doesn't stay in D.C.

During his last campaign, wasn't he booed off the stage when he misrepresented his performance? The old saw, don't count your Hatch, before he chickens is not without merit.

150 posted on 04/21/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by kitchen (America or obama - you can't have both.)
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To: newzjunkey

“Liljenquist....... He’s only been in office 3 years... trust but verify.
Yes, he’s young but has proven himself to be a true conservative—one who truly wants to cut the size of government and who is not afraid of going against the establishment Republicans to do that. I wish I lived in Utah so I could vote in the upcoming primary.

151 posted on 04/21/2012 5:12:58 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: null and void
I assume you are not advocating shooting Mormons.

With virtual bullets, all I can do is shoot holes in the heresy of MORMONism.

152 posted on 04/21/2012 5:13:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: null and void
I assume you are not advocating shooting Mormons.

Nah; but I canNOT speak for any relatives of the ill-fated FAncher party.

153 posted on 04/21/2012 5:14:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

I apologize if you took offense to my questioning your sincerity in asking why so many Freepers would really like to see Hatch retire happily to enjoy the rest of his golden years. All the reasons already posted by me, as well as in the list posted by GingerC on Post #95 in this thread, I thought were pretty much common knowledge to the politically aware.

While the “RINO” appelation is one I don’t use or even like, (means too many different things to different people IMO) it was only used directly on Hatch two times in this 150-plus post thread, and the reasons you have been given already for wanting Hatch replaced should persuade you that maybe they are onto something.

Regarding the ratings, why not ask Arlen Specter how that posing as a conservative to get yourself elected works, when you vote what looks like 90% of the time as conservative (there are procedural ways and tricks used all the time used to hide and conceal your real positions as recorded in “votes” on legislation) but when it really, really counts, say one in ten times, you betray the conservative cause - then say all innocently “maybe I made a mistake on that one” - see Hatch and his explanation of his TARP vote if you want a specific on that.

If there was ever a time to move some of the Roosevelt generation out and give one of Liljenquist’s generation a chance to see what they can do in the US Senate - we already know what Hatch and his generation did - this year is it.

154 posted on 04/21/2012 5:15:14 PM PDT by ngat
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To: null and void
Methinks you doth protest a wee bit too much.

Too bad.

Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

155 posted on 04/21/2012 5:15:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Magic Fingers

I just waited ‘til the beating of the bush stopped, and out popped this...

156 posted on 04/21/2012 5:16:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Magic Fingers
...having worked with and supervised quite a few Mormons...

Invite any of them to church?

157 posted on 04/21/2012 5:17:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cripplecreek

In his speech he talked about how he was a tough old bird. He was visibly PISSED! Shut the HATCH!

158 posted on 04/21/2012 5:19:19 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: taildragger

Go home Hatch .... Pick 1 but light a schuck up on outta here .

159 posted on 04/21/2012 5:22:49 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: bert
AKA Christian Taliban


Licked your wounds enough to get into the fray; eh??

160 posted on 04/21/2012 5:23:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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