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Newt Gingrich: United Nations should adopt treaty giving everyone on earth gun rights
Penn Live ^ | April 13, 2012 | AP

Posted on 04/13/2012 2:00:58 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

ST. LOUIS — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says the United Nations should adopt a treaty giving everyone on the planet the right to bear firearms.

The GOP presidential candidate told the National Rifle Association convention Friday in St. Louis that the group has been too timid in promoting gun rights.

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Newt gave a great speech at the NRA convention. He said the U.S. Constitution does not say God given rights of Americans to bear arms but rights of mankind. He said that the NRA should propose to the UN that all the people of the world should have the right to bear arms to protect themselves -- that there would be less rape, murder of children and despots and dictators who oppress and control their citizens. (He said it much better and the transcript of his speech will be posted at C-SPAN -- Speeches are still being given. Bobby Jindal just finished).

1 posted on 04/13/2012 2:01:04 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sorry, but the very idea of the U.N. "giving" rights to anyone is anathema to what I believe in.

The Constitution does not "give" us rights, it says that those rights are endowed by our Creator. The Constitution is just to "secure" them.

If the U.N. tries to "give" rights, be very sure that it will come with blue helmets and enforcers.

2 posted on 04/13/2012 2:04:14 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t look to the UN to give me any of my rights. They have nothing to say about what I do and don’t do and it needs to stay that way.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 2:04:39 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says the United Nations should adopt a treaty giving everyone on the planet the right to bear firearms.
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>The GOP presidential candidate told the National Rifle Association convention Friday in St. Louis that the group has been too timid in promoting gun rights.

Ok, Newt just got a huge boost in my book w/ that.


4 posted on 04/13/2012 2:07:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt doesn’t get it.

He should’ve said that the UN should GTF out of the US’ domestic policies.


5 posted on 04/13/2012 2:07:13 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As much as I like Newt, why does ANYONE need permission from anyone else, ESPECIALLY the Godamn U.N. to protect themselves!

Getting pretty fed up with this “getting permission” bullsh!t


6 posted on 04/13/2012 2:08:08 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

You are, of course, correct.

The UN should endorse a God-given individual right to self defense (including property!), and the right of individuals to own the tools for self-defense including, but not limited to, firearms.

Still it is a pretty nice reversal on the evil bastards at the UN.


7 posted on 04/13/2012 2:08:57 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt is going all out to prevent Iran from arming up. What goes Newt?


8 posted on 04/13/2012 2:09:12 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Izzy Dunne; RC2

The point was well made that we have freedom because WE, Americans, can protect our God given rights. Just the opposite of Obama and his assault on the Constitution and religion.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”


9 posted on 04/13/2012 2:09:39 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 353FMG

Agreed.
And while they’re at it, they can GTF out of the U.S.A.


10 posted on 04/13/2012 2:10:31 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management.)
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To: Izzy Dunne; Cincinatus' Wife
Waiting for the TV show ‘Top Shots’ to have UN Blue helmets as the contestants targets, because that's all they're good for.
11 posted on 04/13/2012 2:10:44 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: unixfox
Getting pretty fed up with this “getting permission” bullsh!t

C'mon dude. Take a chill pill and acquiece to your betters. /s

12 posted on 04/13/2012 2:12:29 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1/21/2009)
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To: 353FMG; RC2

Please take the time to understand the point that was being made. Newt was not asking U.N. permission but illustrating why we are free and other countries are not. It wasn’t directed at the U.N but rather to people enslaved around the world.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 2:13:15 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 353FMG
He should’ve said that the UN should GTF out of the US’ domestic policies.

That would be hard to do after the current President took complaints against Arizona TO the United Nations.

14 posted on 04/13/2012 2:14:45 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: unixfox

Please don’t use God’s name in vain.


15 posted on 04/13/2012 2:18:44 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole
Agreed. And while they’re at it, they can GTF out of the U.S.A.

August 10, 2011: Newt Gingrich: Suspend U.N. Funding Now!

16 posted on 04/13/2012 2:18:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: unixfox

Don’t you get it? The UN considers private gun ownership to be a civil rights violation. Of course we don’t follow that. But other nations do. That’s what he’s talking about.


17 posted on 04/13/2012 2:19:14 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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18 posted on 04/13/2012 2:23:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Izzy Dunne
"...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

It is from this assertion that the 2nd Amendment flows. The Founders knew that a government which could infringe on the right to keep and bear arms could threaten these fundamental liberties of Man. Thus, the Constitution does not grant a right to keep and bear arms; the Constitution tells the government to keep its hands off a pre-existing, inherent and unalienable right that the people mean to retain.

19 posted on 04/13/2012 2:25:36 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree with the sentiment. Everyone on earth is entitled to self-defense.

I would not agree we need the UN to “give” rights to anyone. If anything we need to get rid of the damn UN.

So great sentiment, but not so much on implementation.


20 posted on 04/13/2012 2:26:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He could have shown more strength by saying that America doesn’t need the UN and that it is a corrupt institution that undermines our sovereignty.


21 posted on 04/13/2012 2:29:07 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Just a cursory look at the UN’s so-called Universal Declaration of Human Rights will show how frighteningly close they are to the “rights” that the USSR’s constitution (from 1936 and 1977) promised, while leaving big holes for the totalitarianism to walk through.

The UN’s joke of a document dates back to December 1948; the Wikipedia article on it shows Eleanor Roosevelt (one of its authors) holding up a Spanish-language copy. Really shows how sympathetic the most powerful in this country were to communism, even going back that far.
22 posted on 04/13/2012 2:38:41 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 353FMG

“Newt doesn’t get it. He should’ve said that the UN should GTF out of the US’ domestic policies.”

I couldn’t agree more.


23 posted on 04/13/2012 2:39:06 PM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: unixfox; 353FMG

What many people here do not understand is that many countries accept international treaties as superior to their own law. This is, in fact, one of their legal principles, and it’s what gives the UN and other such bodies so much clout.

So while the US may not need it (yet), since Newt was talking about the world, yes, it would help to have a UN treaty affirming the right to bear arms.


24 posted on 04/13/2012 2:41:28 PM PDT by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No one can “give” anyone else any “rights”, they can only protect them or violate them.


25 posted on 04/13/2012 2:43:55 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
+1
26 posted on 04/13/2012 2:47:18 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: livius

“....many countries accept international treaties as superior to their own law.”

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And the US has sunk that low, too?

Without the US’ annual financial support since 1946, there would not have been a UN to badmouth us year after year.


27 posted on 04/13/2012 2:48:54 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So Newt Gingrich believes the United Nations has that kind of power and legitimacy??


28 posted on 04/13/2012 2:48:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hey CW! That was a GREAT speech! (Mitten’s speech wasn’t bad- if only he could be believed) I’d have missed it if I hadn’t been on grassroots.newt & seen it/ the link, roll through on the chat. Providence!

Wonder if someone could help me remember which speech Newt gave (or several- maybe it was during one of the debates) when he *specifically addressed* reforming the UN, basically eliminating it’s influence over the US. It was quite a while back (January?).
electad(.com?) may have it. I’ll try to look for it.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 2:54:51 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt’s speech at NRA meeting

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Romneyan/start/3567/stop/6621


30 posted on 04/13/2012 3:02:28 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: unixfox

From February 2012 at another NRA meeting. Newt has a great speech there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGbKbGZsGY&feature=player_embedded


31 posted on 04/13/2012 3:09:55 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: unixfox

They don’t get the ‘limited government’ or the fact that the power resides in the people not in the govt.


32 posted on 04/13/2012 3:10:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
United Nations should adopt treaty giving everyone on earth gun rights

Giving rights? The UN? HA!! The UN couldn't give itself an enema!!

33 posted on 04/13/2012 3:14:18 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

The UN should DROP DEAD !!!


34 posted on 04/13/2012 3:16:59 PM PDT by RightLady (Throw the Traitors out)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is where Newt loses me... he is a globalist. The UN doesn’t make laws trumping state sovereignty. That said, I would crawl over burning coals to vote for him over what we are facing.


35 posted on 04/13/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: RightLady

Amen, RightLady. Amen.


36 posted on 04/13/2012 3:18:58 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: 353FMG

No, you’ll note that I said “not the US - yet.”

Like it or not, UN rights law is accepted as superior to the constitutions of most countries. The UN would NEVER consider the right to bear arms (that is, the right to defend yourself) as a human right, and I think Newt was correct to call them on this.


37 posted on 04/13/2012 3:39:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: wolfman23601; GeronL

He’s not a “globalist” - he’s somebody who knows a lot about how other countries work.

I’m a legal translator and I translate documents every day from countries where UN and international law is given precedence over their own law.

We have not reached that point yet...although Bambi sure wants to destroy US law and have us accept “international law” ...but many other countries have.

So challenging the UN to adopt such a treaty - which would affect the Marxist countries as well - could be a defining moment. (All Marxist countries are anti-gun because they fear that the citizens might rise up.)


38 posted on 04/13/2012 3:46:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: Izzy Dunne; RC2

Newt said the UN should ‘acknowledge’ this God-given right.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 3:46:38 PM PDT by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just the one amendment? Let’s see if we can get them to approve the whole thing as a model constitution.


40 posted on 04/13/2012 3:49:29 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: 353FMG

See my #39 and listen to the speech.


41 posted on 04/13/2012 3:49:39 PM PDT by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: livius

Thanks for a sane analysis. Very few if any in the preceding 37 posts.

If Newt cannot pull off the GOP nomination, I would like to see him serve as the new Attorney General. As a historian, a non-lawyer, with an ego the size of Texas, he would blow the rotten DOJ establishment to pieces and perhaps implement some radically needed reforms.


42 posted on 04/13/2012 4:00:03 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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Click


Repeal ObamaCare. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley.
Reform the federal bureaucracy drastically reducing government and regulations.
GO NEWT!

43 posted on 04/13/2012 4:25:52 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: 50cal Smokepole; 353FMG
And while they’re at it, they can GTF out of the U.S.A.

BINGO!

44 posted on 04/13/2012 4:29:55 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: 22cal
Newt said the UN should ‘acknowledge’ this God-given right.

Well then, kudos to Newt and boos for whoever mangled the headline.

45 posted on 04/13/2012 4:30:58 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Newt said the UN should ‘acknowledge’ this God-given right.

I don't think it was God's plan that everyone own guns. Death is an abomination, was never meant to be, it's a shame our world needs them, but it won't always be this way. And before any plablum puking gun nutz chime in, I own guns.
46 posted on 04/13/2012 4:33:39 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
So, from your view-if a person is being beaten to death, we turn the other cheek. Newt is right, defending yourself should be an option to all.
47 posted on 04/13/2012 4:37:13 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Scythian
I don't think it was God's plan that everyone own guns.

Well, maybe not, but I'd bet that it's not his plan that only the bad guys own them.

48 posted on 04/13/2012 5:04:21 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Scythian

You are silly. God wants his people to thank him for existence in this world. Self defense has been an issue since the existence of man. Some have spears, some are not allowed to have spears. God’s People have spears to defend themselves from Satan and his minions. Thus the Bill of Rights.


49 posted on 04/13/2012 5:14:34 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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C'mon, FReepers, stop lamenting the Mitt situation -- support Newt!!!

Go Newt!!!


50 posted on 04/13/2012 7:08:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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