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1 posted on 04/12/2012 12:11:49 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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“However, they said in the affidavit that “Zimmerman confronted Martin,” an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman’s version of the events that led to the shooting.”

Well, that puts to bed the notion that Castle Doctrine will be on trial. Or at least it makes people look silly who condemn it.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 12:14:23 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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Wow. The biased tone of this article is deafening.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 12:16:00 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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“”During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening,” the affidavit said. “The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn’t know why.””

Trayon’s girlfriend cannot be considered a reliable witness as she was involved with Martin.

And there is not truth to the accusation that Zimmerman confronted Martin and that is in conflict with what Capt. Zimmerman’s father has stated.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 12:18:17 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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So the prosecutor took the word of the mother that it was Trayvon screaming for help as opposed to Zimmerman’s father and witness who said it was Zimmerman looking for help. She also seems to put a lot of credibility to the “friend” who was on the phone with Trayvon. No mention why he didn’t just go home if he was so scared.


5 posted on 04/12/2012 12:20:56 PM PDT by sox_the_cat
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Of course the affidavit says ‘Zimmerman confronted Martin’. How could the AG hope to win a 2nd degree murder conviction if the affidavit read Zimmerman was jumped while following Martin?

The affidavit isn't fact.

6 posted on 04/12/2012 12:22:05 PM PDT by skeeter
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This thing already reeks of prosecutorial misconduct.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 12:24:41 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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and the railroading of George Zimmerman begins.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 12:25:27 PM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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martin said that zimmerman was going to die. martin didnt walk on the sidewalk to home, he was in sideyards etc. What do the drug tests say of martin? Two eyewitnesses [not on phone] said zimmerman was on bottom during fight.


15 posted on 04/12/2012 12:28:05 PM PDT by biggredd1
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So, the investigator took the word of Trayvon’s mother over the word of Zimmerman’s father. Okay, but wait, there is also an eyewitness to the struggle and the screams for help who definitively identify the one crying for help as being Zimmerman.

What about that wintess? what about that identification? which is much more credible than either of the others because he was there (they were not) and he is unrelated to either individual (they are)?

This sounds like a cave by the investigator to me.

They are going to have to have more credible evidence than this, much more damning to overcome Zimmerman’s story as coroberated by the witness and the physical evidence we know about...Zimmerman’s broken nose, Zimmerman’s cuts on the back of his head, and Zimmerman’s grass stains on the back of his clothes.

Now that they say Trayvon was shot in the chest, that also lends credence to Zimmerman’s story, particularly if it is a close range shot.

we now know Trayvon was not shot in the back.

Just my thoughts.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 12:28:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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There is a site called Wagist...I have no idea who these people are.

But, they put together a timeline and maps...and showed that Martin had more than enough time to go home, instead of face Zimmerman.

It just makes sense, really. Zimmerman is following Martin...what, did he outrun him? Of course not - Martin confronted Zimmerman.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 12:29:22 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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Photobucket Tee shirt time..... Yea you're right.... This could get you killed..
22 posted on 04/12/2012 12:31:49 PM PDT by baddog 219
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Looks like the prosecutor took every possible pro prosecution version of the facts, in arriving at this charge.

She just took everything that could support a prosecution and threw it in, however doubtful. So forget witnesses who saw/ heard Zimmerman yelling, Trayvon’s mother thinks the voice was his.

Interesting, because unless all these assertions hold up, they have a much weaker case.

Note they fudge the manner in which the fight occurred and just ignore Zimmerman’s injuries. I don’t believe they claim Zimmerman struck first.

Folks, the police and prosecutors are not your friends and it is not a “search for the truth”.

This prosecutor was reported to have a long standing approach of “arrest the one with the gun and let the system sort it out”.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 12:31:52 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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After watching thousands of episodes of Cops every one of which has at least one black youth running from the cops I can attest that black youth can run and fast. So why didn’t Treyvon run he could have easily run away. Instead he chose to return to the area where Zimmerman was and confront him. It is very clear from Zimmermans conversation with the police dispatcher that he had lost sight of Treyvon and he was agreeing with the dispatcher on a place to meet soon to be arriving police officers. That being said all Zimmerman had to do was wait that is until he was attacked then it became a matter of self defense. I say Zimmerman Is Innocent.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 12:32:25 PM PDT by cquiggy
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zimmerman confronted martin? If the shove don’t fit, you must acquit!


28 posted on 04/12/2012 12:33:03 PM PDT by biggredd1
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These documents were sealed today. There is no way this article is factual. This is pure BS designed to stir trouble and keep the race baiters in business.


34 posted on 04/12/2012 12:37:04 PM PDT by calex59
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The document says Trayvon's mother identified the screams for help heard in a 911 call as those of her son. It also reveals that investigators interviewed a "friend" of Trayvon's who was talking to him in the leadup to the shooting. Based on the description, it appears the friend was the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

Wow. A second-degree murder indictment on two pieces of hearsay. No wonder the prosecutor didn't want to go to the grand jury with this.

48 posted on 04/12/2012 12:45:24 PM PDT by dirtboy
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Zimmerman, the affidavit says, "confronted Martin and a struggle ensued."

Classic switch from active to passive voice.

"The gun went off," not "I shot him."

51 posted on 04/12/2012 12:45:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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If Zimmerman touched Martin first, or impeded his travel IN ANY WAY he will likely be found guilty, if not of 2nd Degree, then manslaughter.


54 posted on 04/12/2012 12:50:21 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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The fix is in. Now all they need is a do-gooder jury loaded with “caped crusaders” looking to “send a message” to gun owners.


57 posted on 04/12/2012 12:55:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is like a stool sample. You have to pass it to find out what's in it.)
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As soon as Investigator Angela Corey said this was about “justice for Trayvon”, you knew Zimmerman was in trouble.

That being said, I am reserving judgement on what I think happened until I have more facts.

If Trayvon did attack Zimmerman, then Zimmerman had every right to defend himself.

If Zimmerman pursued Trayvon, started a fight with him, and then shot him, then it changes things.

We don’t know what Trayvon was up to that night. Was he really just walking home from 7-11 with a snack, or was he burgling? Did Zimmerman catch him doing something, confront him, get attacked, and then shoot him? Lots of questions still.

To me, the biggest story is the way the media jumped on this thing and fanned the flames without having the facts. They showed photos of Trayvon from when he was 12, rather than more recent pictures of him with the gold teeth. The media was definitely trying to influence opinion. They doctored a tape to make Zimmerman appear racist. They insisted he said “coon” when it turns out he said “cold”. They showed photos of Zimmerman in a prison jump suit. They insisted he was white, then “white-hispanic”. They repeatedly told us that Martin was carrying Skittles and iced tea, as if that alone absolves him of any possible wrongdoing (because everyone knows you can’t do anything bad whilst carrying Skittles and iced tea). The media allowed Al Sharpton to lead a protest, and then host a show covering the protest.

The media jumped to conclusions without the facts. I’m not going to do that. Need more facts.

By the way, can you believe that we are back at the Orlando courthouse? What is it about that place?


58 posted on 04/12/2012 12:55:47 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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