I thought we had a real chance to change the GOP after the 2010 elections, but then the empire struck back. I’m done with them.
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So what is your plan to get even one electoral vote when you can’t even win the Republican party nomination?
You have to get more than 50% of a state to get an electoral vote.
I call BS. Calling Mitt a socialist is a falsehood. A third party is a recipe for 4 more years of Obama.
Shame on you.
I don’t know about anybody else, but I don’t find it at all suspicious that somebody who joined in October of 2011 is now telling us all to avoid voting for the Republican nominee.
Nope, definitely not an Obama plant. Nothing to see here.
I would agree with you. There is no need to paint lipstick on the corpse of a useless political party. Let it go under and let the American conservatives unite behind a party that represents them. It’s our only hope.
I understand the sentiment. I feel your pain. But many many mistakes and many false connections of dots in your analysis - and you forget the main point: third parties are like virgins. Once they are consummated, they are no longer pure either.
And another point: there are many folks still in the party who hate the party establishment just as much as you do.
Considering that there is no one else really still out there, why don’t we start working on a strategy to put Mittens in a corner where he has to do the conservative thing just to stay in the race. It would be a great object lesson for the Congressional “princes” of the GOP to find out what it’s like to be out of funds until they move hard to the right. Don’t just defund the GOP, contact candidates and demand specific positions as a condition of contribution.
The GOP has never had enough “big donors” to do it alone.
Third party is simply saying we want Obama to be Dictator for Life.
Agree! 100%!
Maybe the "Falcon Party" is still active and taking members. I think they are on the ballot in 3 and a half counties in Missouri for President. Time to let Pissant back onto FR to lead the movement.
Writing in Palin or JimRob. I’ll be able to look myself in the mirror, either way
Not going to try to talk you out of it since people, predictably, throw this idea out every 4 years, but I can assure you that a 3rd party vote will amount to nothing. Your opportunity to push conservatism is within one of the 2 party's. We have been quite successful at that within the GOP at the local and state level, at the national level not so much yet. That is mostly because there simply wasn't a compelling conservative with staying power that could challenge the establishment's hug-the-middle choice (which they will make every time). All this 3rd party talk will come to nothing. You will join about 1% of the population who cast protest votes for the Greens, Libertarians, Constitution Party, etc, etc, etc. No one will notice, care or remember.
“Should we try to create a new third party? Would an existing third party suffice? Let’s discuss.”
The actual goal should be to create a 2nd party to oppose the Demcoms- essentially replacing the Republicans with a new party and forcing people like Romney to join the Democrats where they belong.
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Romney is a loser and the GOP has squandered all the inertia and enthusiasm of the Tea Party movement so that they can hold their Party power. They can shove their Massachusetts liberal candidate.
Sign me up. I know who romney is. I will never, never support him. The GOP no longer exists to me.
I can’t imagine anyone wanting to run 3rd party and take the heat for re-electing Hussein. Because that is what they would be doing.
Better to start now building a credible party that can win in the future, do better than this years offerings, or else, just stay home and enjoy Barack and his czars for another 4. Only thing is that conservatives won’t ever win again, if they do, they will be just like the British style conservative. So why bother?
A third party will do for Obama what Ralph Nader did for George Bush. If you can’t convince a majority of the Republican voters to see it your way, you will never convince a majority of all the voters.
Count me out.
There are still candidates in both camps who agree with what you want more than you know.
1992 presidential candidacy
Main article: Ross Perot presidential campaign, 1992
On February 20, 1992, he appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live and announced his intention to run as an independent if his supporters could get his name on the ballot in all fifty states. With such declared policies as balancing the federal budget, a firm pro-choice stance on abortion, expansion of the war on drugs, ending outsourcing of jobs, support for gun control, belief in protectionism on trade, advocating the Environmental Protection Agency and enacting electronic direct democracy via “electronic town halls,” he became a potential candidate and soon polled roughly even with the two major party candidates.[21]
Perot’s candidacy received increasing media attention when the competitive phase of the primary season ended for the two major parties. With the insurgent candidacies of Republican Pat Buchanan and Democrat Jerry Brown winding down, Perot was the natural beneficiary of populist resentment toward establishment politicians. On May 25, 1992 he was featured on the cover of Time Magazine with the title “Waiting for Perot,” an allusion to Samuel Beckett’s play Waiting for Godot.[22]
Several months before the Democratic and Republican conventions, Perot filled the vacuum of election news, as his supporters began petition drives to get him on the ballot in all fifty states. This sense of momentum was reinforced when Perot employed two savvy campaign managers in Democrat Hamilton Jordan and Republican Ed Rollins.[citation needed] In July, while Perot was pondering whether to run for office, his supporters established a campaign organization United We Stand America. Perot was late in making formal policy proposals, but most of what he did call for were intended to reduce the deficit. He wanted a gasoline tax increase and some cutbacks of Social Security.[citation needed]
By the summer Perot commanded a lead in the presidential race with thirty-nine percent of the vote.[23] By mid-July, the Washington Post reported that Perot’s campaign managers were becoming increasingly disillusioned by his unwillingness to follow their advice[24] to be more specific on issues, and his need to be in full control of operations[24] with such tactics as forcing volunteers to sign loyalty oaths.[25] Perot’s poll numbers began to slip to 25%, and his advisers warned that if he continued to ignore them, he would fall into single digits. Co-manager Hamilton Jordan threatened to quit, and on July 15, Ed Rollins resigned after Perot fired advertisement specialist Hal Riney, who worked with Rollins on the Reagan campaign. Rollins would later claim that a member of the campaign accused him of being a Bush plant with ties to the CIA.[26] Amidst the chaos, Perot’s support fell to 20%.[27] The next day, Perot announced on Larry King Live that he would not seek the presidency. He explained that he did not want the House of Representatives to decide the election if the result caused the electoral college to be split. Perot eventually stated the reason was that he received threats that digitally altered photographs would be released by the Bush campaign to sabotage his daughter’s wedding.[28] Regardless of the reasons for withdrawing, his reputation was badly damaged. Many of his supporters felt betrayed and public opinion polls would subsequently show a large negative view of Perot that was absent prior to his decision to end the campaign.[29]
In September he qualified for all fifty state ballots.