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Great overview and insights into the SCOTUS oral arguments on 0bamacare from Kate Hicks.
1 posted on 03/26/2012 4:55:16 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross
If Kennedy goes to the Left—get ready for Big Government to force you at jack-booted thug gun-point to buy Green Giant peas—and to eat them!

And as to being forced by Big Brother to purchase a particular product or pay a "fine..."

...we all know what happens to those who don't pay the fines...

...here come the cattle cars.

2 posted on 03/26/2012 5:03:25 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Rick or Mitt take your pick.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

The fix is in.

0bama0care will be declared constitutional.

I will be very surprised if 0bama0care does not survive this challenge.

The only way to kill it is with legislation.

That won’t happen either.


3 posted on 03/26/2012 5:05:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Let's start with the title: Patient Protection {anything but} and Affordable Care {proven to not be so} Act

So, to begin with, the title is false advertising!!! That should be enough to convince anyone that it can't be good for America.

4 posted on 03/26/2012 5:06:18 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Servant of the Cross

“Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” NOT!

All laws passed by the Fed mean the opposite of what they are labeled. It’s much like the old Communist countries such as the “People’s Republic of Germany”.


5 posted on 03/26/2012 5:10:25 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

—The government, on the other hand, contends that healthcare is “different,” because at one point or another in our lives, all of us need it.—

Kinda like food and water are “different”.


6 posted on 03/26/2012 5:11:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Dictator Baby-Doc Barack has ALWAYS ignored The US Constitution, ESPECIALLY with Obama”care.”

The cancer of Obama”care” now extends to Obama last week choosing a “Public health expert” for the World Bank Presidency.
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The major problem with THE NINE SUPREMES is that they are chosen for political reasons by the POTUS, and then they vote as an un-accountable democracy, for a Nation that is NOT a Democracy, but a REPUBLIC.

As a result, THE NINE SUPREMES commonly vote 5 to 4 on most issues. Constitutionality is seldom a consideration, and their up-coming ruling on Obama”care” will prove my point.

Now is the time to stand and deliver to address our grievances to the dictates of the Left.

Oppose the dictates of Dictator Baby-Doc Barack!

Our ONLY chance to ABOLISH Obama”care” rests with THE NINE SUPREMES, because Romney will be defeated by Obama.

IMHO, if Romney is anointed as the RNC Nominee, THE main issue in the National Election, Obama”care,” will be taken off the campaign table. Hence, Romney will not only lose, but suffer another crushing, and sadly typical, RINO defeat.

To those who want poster ideas, here are a few ideas for demonstration posters:

Obama”care” was robo-signed by Congress, and is therefore illegal.

Obama”care” was 2700 pages long, and is still being written, but not by Congress: witness the forced contraception coverage recently added by HHS Regulators.

Obama”care” has caused “The Catholic Spring.”

Obama”care” reduces competition, and therefore is illegal by the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law.

Obama”care” is designed to be a US Federal Government monopoly, with no competition.

Obama”care” also is illegal according to the US Constitution, because it violates our freedom of choice.

Will THE NINE SUPREMES notice any of these three violations? I seriously doubt it.

Impeached Bill Clinton proved that the US President is above US Federal Law, so anything that the President wants he gets, regardless of the Federal Laws that he has violated.


13 posted on 03/26/2012 6:06:00 AM PDT by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Servant of the Cross
Obamacare American Liberty goes to the Supreme Court. This case is not about healthcare.
14 posted on 03/26/2012 6:07:17 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

1. Is the financial penalty for not complying with the individual mandate a tax?

Essentially, the federal government argued that because the penalty is a tax, the plaintiffs had no standing to sue until after the tax had been assessed. The district court didn’t find this compelling, and ruled against the feds.

THIS IS NOT THE GAME PLAY.

DOESN’T MATTER THAT THE DISTRICT COURT RULED AGAINST THE FEDS. IN FACT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF PENALTY AS TAX IS IRRELEVANT; A SIDESHOW.

AND WHY DO YOU THINK OBAMA’S LAWYERS STOOD DOWN ABOUT IT? ANSWER: THEY DID NOT WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATION (EXPLAINED HERE BELOW), NOT NOW ANYWAYS.

2. Is the individual mandate an unconstitutional overreach of Congressional power?
This is the main event.

NO, IT IS NOT THE MAIN EVENT BUT MANY EYES HAVE BEEN DIVERTED TO IT. THE MAIN EVENT IS AN ATTACK FROM THE REAR THAT MOST OF YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF (EXPLAINED LATER IN THIS POST).

THIS IS NOT THE GAME PLAY.

THE ANSWER IS YES, OF COURSE IT IS AN OVERREACH. BUT TO PLACATE AND PACIFY CONSERVATIVES AND PEOPLE ‘POLLS’, SCOTUS WILL THROW THE DOG A BONE AND STRIKE IT DOWN BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE OUTCOME WHICH WILL BE A DEFEAT OF THE RIGHT WING.

3. Severability: What parts, if any, of the law may remain if the individual mandate is unconstitutional?

THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL ‘PART’ (NOT THE WHOLE) OF THE GAME WINNING (FOR OBAMA) PLAY.

SO THIS IS PARTIAL GAME PLAY. READ ON:

Typically, a major, massive law like the PPACA would have a severability clause: a line that says, “even if part x of the law goes down, everything else may remain law.” Such a clause is often used in laws that might contain one contentious bit, thereby preventing the whole law from being struck down with it. The individual mandate is a prime example of an element of a law that might warrant a severability clause; however, no such clause was written into the PPACA.

SEVERABILITY WAS NOT WRITTEN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD SHOW THAT THE LEFTISTS WHO BACKED THIS LEGISLATION WANTED SOMETHING ELSE TO BE LEFT STANDING. WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO FOOL PEOPLE, TRYING TO KEEP SOMETHING UNDER COVER, YOU DON’T PUT OUT A RED FLAG THAT SAYS IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE BACK THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY I’VE TAKEN, I MAY CEDE IT BACK TO YOU BUT I WANT THE OTHER GOODIES THAT I HAVE ALSO TAKEN FROM YOU.

THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE REALLY, THEY WANT SOMETHING MORE AND SLID IT RIGHT PAST YOU IN THEIR 900+ PAGE LEGISLATIVE BOWEL MOVEMENT CALLED THE PPACA.

THEY KNEW FROM THE FDR 1935 PLAYBOOK THAT OBAMACARE WOULD LAND IN THE SCOTUS. THEY ANTIPCIPATED THIS. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR WITHOUT ANYONE CATCHING ON TO WHAT THEY’RE REALLY AFTER IS A CONFIRMATION THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY REALLY IS THE ‘STUPID PARTY’ AND IN THE CASE OF THE GOP-E, THE COMPLICIT SUBSIDIARY.

SO THE DEMS LEFT SEVERABILITY OUT AND ANNOUNCED IN THE PRESS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE IS ESSENTIAL TO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATION. THIS WAS A LIE. REPEAT THIS WAS A LIE (EXPLAINED BELOW).

As with the AIA question, the Court has assigned a lawyer to argue the position that the mandate is severable, i.e., that the rest of the law may stand.

THIS IS THE GAME PLAY, THE PLAY THAT DETERMINES THE WINNER.

NOTICE THAT THE SCOTUS IS SETTING THE STAGE TO GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHAT IT REALLY WANTS.

NOW THINK SHARP.....THERE IS SOMETHING THE LEFTISTS WANT BADLY FOR SCOTUS TO LET STAND....WHAT COULD IT BE?

WHEN YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS WHOLE FIGHT AND THE ANSWER WILL BE CLEAR AS SUNSHINE, SOMETHING YOU HAVE KNOWN ABOUT LEFTISTS FROM THE MOMENT YOU KNEW THEY WERE DECEIVERS.

The federal government takes a middling position here, arguing that parts of the law may stand, but that provisions relying on the individual mandate should not. They acknowledge there are dire financial consequences for the country, should certain parts of the law stand (most glaringly, guaranteed issue and pre-existing conditions clauses). But the rest of the law, they maintain, ought to remain intact.

YES, AS I WROTE ABOVE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS THE REST OF THE LAW TO REMAIN INTACT. READ ON:

The Court will likely take a very conservative approach to severability – they’re wary of overstepping their power where the legislature is concerned, and are unlikely to strike down the law in its entirety.

THIS IS THE MONEY STATEMENT. “UNLIKELY TO STRIKE DOWN THE LAW IN ITS ENTIRETY”, THIS IS THE GAME PLAY.

REMEMBER WHEN ROMNEY SAID HE WOULD REPEAL ‘PARTS’ OF OBAMACARE AND LET THE GOOD PARTS STAND?

4. Is the Medicaid expansion an unconstitutional coercion of the states?

THIS IS NOT THE GAME PLAY. IT IS A SIDESHOW, A DIVERSION FOR NOW.

IN FACT THE LEFT DOESN’T CARE ANYMORE ABOUT THIS PLAY ANY MORE THAN IT CARES ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.

MY REVELATION TO YOU:

THE MAIN THING THAT THE LEFTISTS WANT STANDING IS FOUND UNDER TITLE IX

http://burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/hr3590_health_care_law_2010.pdf

THEY WANT TAXES, PURE AND SIMPLE.

IF THEY HAD PRESENTED INITIALLY UPFRONT WHAT THEY TRULY WANTED, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE HAD A SNOWBALL’S CHANCE IN HELL OF GETTING PASSAGE.

SO WHILE THE STUPID PARTY ARGUES ABOUT THE ‘PENALTY’ AS A ‘TAX’, THERE ARE IN FACT REAL TAXES, NOT PENALTIES, THAT ARE THERE IN TITLE IX AND THEY WANT THOSE LEFT STANDING.

IN FACT THEY ALWAYS WANTED THESE TAXES, BECAUSE TAXES ARE THE POWER THEY CRAVE. AND OF COURSE REAL TAXES ARE ALWAYS BACKED BY PENALTIES FOR FAILURE TO PAY.

NOW THINK FOR A MOMENT YOU ARE A LEFTIST. YOUR FOCUS IS TO RULE THE CAPITAL. PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF CAPITAL IS JUST A MINOR INCONVENIENCE. SO WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU TAX IT. THAT’S HOW YOU WIN THE GAME OF CONTROL.

CONTINUE THINKING AS A LEFTIST.....HOW DO YOU PRESENT THE TAX ARGUMENT AND HOW DO YOU WRITE IT? YOU PRESENT IT BURIED IN A LARGE DOCUMENT THAT HAS ALL KINDS OF LEGAL DIVERSIONS AND GOOD SOCIAL INTENTIONS.

LET ME PUT IT TO YOU STRAIGHT AND CRUDELY....THE LEFTISTS DON’T GIVE TWO FARTS FOR HEALTHCARE OTHER THAN AS A ‘GOOD INTENTION’ RALLYING CRY ON PAR WITH “IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN”. THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THAT AS MUCH AS THEY CARE ABOUT TAXES.

HOW TO WRITE IT?

1) TAX THE PRIVATE HEALTHPLANS UNTIL EITHER:

A) THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS OR
B) THEY BUCKLE UNDER OR
C) BOTH A AND B.

2) TAX INCOMES OF 200,000 OR MORE AND WAIT FOR INFLATION TO PUSH PEOPLE’S INCOMES INTO THE TARGET ZONE.

NOW SIT BACK AND PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK. YOU JUST DID A FAR GREATER JOB THAN YOUR GLOBAL WARMING COMRADES.

YOU HAVE ADVANCED THE LEFT’S AGENDA CONSIDERABLY AND IN JUST A FEW DECADES TOTAL CONTROL WILL BE AT HAND. THE LEFT SHALL RULE THE WORLD.

YOU ARE TRULY A GENIUS, AN EVIL GENIUS.


26 posted on 03/26/2012 8:13:45 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Dear SCOTUS:

Thank you very much.

America

34 posted on 03/26/2012 1:39:13 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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“...the individual mandate doesn’t regulate commerce, it compels it: people who don’t own health insurance aren’t engaging in commerce. If Congress, then, has the right to force people into the health insurance market, what can’t they force people to buy?”

I won’t be forced to buy a d@mn thing. Guaranteed. Come and get me.


37 posted on 03/26/2012 1:57:45 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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