Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

Wagist ^ | 3/25/12 | Dan Linehan

[Enterprise]

The link I found for Sanford Florida shows that on Feb 26, 2012, the official sunrise is 6:54 am and sunset is 6:22 pm. I would have to believe that by 7:17 pm it would be dark.

http://www.sunrisesunset.com/calendar.asp

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings Enterprise:

Yes, dark overcast and light rain. Explains the "hoodie."

Time (EST) 6:53 PM
Temp. 63.0 °F
Dew Point 60.1 °F
Humidity 90%
Pressure 30.30 in
Visibility 7.0 mi
Wind Dir Wind Speed NE 6.9 mph
Precip 0.00 in
Events Rain
Conditions Light Rain

Cheers,
OLA

[Enterprise]

Thanks! :)

[Enterprise]

Also, see post #182 by One Loyal American.

[Cheburashka]

I've posted the link to maximize the distribution of information actually released by the City of Sanford on the case. Anything not in the info released by the City of Sanford is suspect as to its accuracy, including but not limited to:

1) The purchase and existence of skittles and iced tea.

2) “Locations” that someone unofficial has placed on a purported map of the crime scene.

No doubt there will be more information released in the future. This is a real investigation in progress, and information is not released simply so the public can pour over it at the public’s leisure.

Interesting how much we "know" about the case isn't in what's been released, isn't it? And no, I'm not suggesting anything conspiratorial, just pointing out how much questionable information get's packed into news reports, where people pick it up as Gospel, even people at FR. Even me.

[MD Expat in PA]

All the misinformation out there, including this article are pure speculation or purposely made up/slanted.

Until the full investigation is complete, no one knows the truth, but the police report is, at this time, the best unbiased recitation of the facts in the public domain.

I implore everyone to stick to known facts and don’t speculate. There is enough B.S. out there on this case already.

Thank you! The left - the race baiters are speculating and fanning the flames of anger and radical racial white hate in this case without considering the facts; all the facts not being known at this time and the MSM and even at least one GOP presidential candidate are helping them.

But wild speculation and jumping to conclusions from our side is almost as bad, IMHO.

I know some are just trying to bring some balance to a lot of unbalanced reporting and calls for Zimmerman’s conviction without trial, but speculating that Martin was a drug dealer because we all “know” anyone who wears a hoodie has to be one, when so far there are no facts to support that, saying that he was shot at 3:00AM when it was actually around 7:00PM, posting FB pictures of some thug that turns out was someone else who shared Martin’s name, etc., posting web blogs as news reports, it just doesn’t help.

I’m not about to try and convict Zimmerman based on the court of public opinion and the opinions of the Sharptons and Jacksons and I’m also not about to completely exonerate Zimmerman and convict Martin for "having it coming to him" either based purely on speculation.

I can only “hope” that the new prosecutor in this case doesn’t cave to PC and outside pressure and conducts thorough and unbiased investigation and that the truth comes out. Sadly I don’t necessarily think that will happen given that Angela Corey is known for her zealous defense of victim’s rights and her considering this as a “hate crime” (eye roll), but I can still hope.

Unfortunately as so many have already made up their minds, whatever the unvarnished truth turns out to be, if it is ever brought forth, I tend to think no one will be completely satisfied with the outcome.

[Scotswife]

good post. It’s disappointing to see people taking sides based on political assumptions

The truth is usually somewhere in between.

The NY Post, yesterday, published previous 911 calls Zimmerman had made. One kid was as young as 7 yrs. old.What was he doing? Walking down the street...like Martin.

Now that doesn’t shed light on the details of the final struggle, but it does shed light on how the incident unfolded from the beginning.

Whatever happened between those two...it began with Zimmerman deciding that a person walking down the street was suspicious.

Maybe people really need to see someone actually doing something illegal - or more “suspicious” than just walking down the street? - before they call 911.

[Fuzz]

The investigation at the scene ENDED at 3:07. They arrived on scene at 7:17.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

[usnavy_cop_retired]

Thanks. I spent too many years in military law enforcement and then as a P.I. doing criminal/civil defense work to take my, or anyones first impressions, to be valid. The facts are always evolving in any investigation. Witnesses statements, which it appears were many in this case, physical evidence, 911 tapes and the “person of interest” statement, (he was, from the reporting I have read, not being accused of a crime at the time of the interview/interrogation), all need to be confirmed and evaluated.

The 911 tape, (I have not heard it myself, just going on a recap of it by a reputable news org. and police dept. statements), that Zimmerman said he was walking back to his SUV prior to the incident needs to be verified with time lines to determine if Martin came up to Zimmerman after Zimmerman apparently “broke off his surveillance”. But that determination has not been made public yet, so we can’t speculate on it either.

The Grand Jury needs to be allowed to do their job. However, I am concerned by the reports that the DOJ is looking to try to make this a hate crime if the Florida officials and the Grand Jury determine that there is not a crime to prosecute. That would be a political “pimping” of the situation, IMHO.

[Cboldt]

This is when my cousin struck the man, taking him to the ground and continuing to beat on him.

It's hearsay evidence, but if believed, it exonerates and Zimmerman and convicts Martin.

[Cboldt]

-- The NY Post, yesterday, published previous 911 calls Zimmerman had made. One kid was as young as 7 yrs. old.What was he doing? Walking down the street...like Martin. --

I think that list of calls is to the Sanford police non-emergency line.

The community had had a series of burglaries, and the police were in the process of sending a squad car and officers in response to Zimmerman's report of Martin.

As for the 7 year old, is that the incident with kids playing in the street? Maybe he was more concerned about their safety, than suspicious they were up to no good. Just speculation on my part.

[Cboldt]

-- The 911 tape, (I have not heard it myself, just going on a recap of it by a reputable news org. and police dept. statements), that Zimmerman said he was walking back to his SUV prior to the incident needs to be verified with time lines to determine if Martin came up to Zimmerman after Zimmerman apparently "broke off his surveillance". But that determination has not been made public yet, so we can't speculate on it either. --

The recording is its own timeline, in that regard. Zimmerman stayed on the line for a minute or two after losing sight of Trayvon, and saying that he was going back to his vehicle. There is no sound or report of physical altercation on that tape, so the physical altercation happened after Zimmerman reported to the police that he was returning to his vehicle.

[Scotswife]

well that’s just it...there’s alot of speculation going on.

Speculation that Zimmerman is a racist...or not.
Speculation about Martin - who cannot give his own side of the story.

I, like everyone else, have my own bias and I speculate the truth is a muddled mixture of all of the above.

What stands out in my mind is Zimmerman’s role as self-appointed watchdog.

In my own life (and therefore affecting my own bias) - these types can create alot of havoc.

[Cboldt]

-- What stands out in my mind is Zimmerman's role as self-appointed watchdog.
In my own life (and therefore affecting my own bias) - these types can create alot of havoc. --

In my experience, they can be meddlesome busybodies, but I don't have experience with any that threw a first punch. Of all the contact that Zimmerman made with the police, how many of those incidents have him confronting the person? Maybe he does follow the advice to be nothing more than eyes and ears, and to maintain distance while waiting for police to arrive.

[MizSterious]

"If that is in fact him, then this entire country IS BEING PLAYED FOR FOOLS, and it is making me extremely angry and sad."

That is what I suspect is going on. Frankly, I don't know if this is going to end up being a legitimate case of self defense--it seems to me as thought it might be, but regardless, I'd just like for the COURT to have the chance to decide before the lynch mob arrives.

[Scotswife]

than why did the dispatcher feel it was necessary to urge him to stop following?

I know I’m ticking off people here, but obviously I’ve got a big problem with someone taking it upon themselves - when they ARE NOT law enforcement - to follow someone.

I don’t see this “following” business as harmless, and in this case - it set the stage for the rest of the evening.

[MD Expat in PA]

The Grand Jury needs to be allowed to do their job. However, I am concerned by the reports that the DOJ is looking to try to make this a hate crime if the Florida officials and the Grand Jury determine that there is not a crime to prosecute. That would be a political “pimping” of the situation, IMHO.

I agree. This concerns me very much as well. It’s as if it has been predetermined to be a “hate crime” whatever that is, without any facts in evidence to support it. If anything, perhaps Zimmerman acted rashly but there is no evidence to support that his actions were racially motivated.

[Cboldt]

-- than why did the dispatcher feel it was necessary to urge him to stop following? --

I listened to the call, and the voice wasn't in the nature of "urging." That said, this is the same standard advice always give by law enforcement. Don't get involved, call the police. It's more for the protection of the eyewitness.

-- I've got a big problem with someone taking it upon themselves - when they ARE NOT law enforcement - to follow someone. --

So, you would NEVER follow a person who just stole the stereo out of your car.

-- I don't see this "following" business as harmless, and in this case - it set the stage for the rest of the evening. --

This following business is usually harmless. The police do it all the time, watching what's going on and sometimes following cars when they suspect DUI, etc. Even non law enforcement people do that (follow, to maintain visual contact until the law arrives).

I agree, sometimes it ends badly. Especially when the person being followed over-reacts with unjustified violence.

[PapaBear3625]

How recent, I don’t remember, a year or two it said, and I remember the number 40, which I repeated on these threads. Today I’ve found two reports which say one 8, and the other 15 burglaries in the past year. Who do you want to believe?

Over here is a listing of burglary reports, from a link from the town of Sanford's web site. The listing appears to cover a period from 12/2011 to the day of the shooting and is 26 pages long. Where suspects are described, they appear to be young black men.

[PapaBear3625]

Yes, the race baiters have ahold of it now. They aren’t letting go either. The Jews of Crown Heights know well what happens to ginned up crowds. The city of Los Angeles experience intense race riots after Rodney King.

Over the weekend I was visiting relatives, and I noticed that there was a LOT of coverage of Martin/Zimmerman. I believe the media are trying to orchestrate a repeat of Rodney King.