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FACT CHECK: More US drilling didn't drop gas price
The Associated Press ^ | 3:06 p.m. Wednesday, March 21, 2012 | SETH BORENSTEIN

Posted on 03/21/2012 2:29:23 PM PDT by Dacula

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1 posted on 03/21/2012 2:29:33 PM PDT by Dacula
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To: thackney

Ping for your comments


2 posted on 03/21/2012 2:34:50 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Dacula

I get so sick of the left’s twisted obfuscation to protect the Obamafuscator - n - chief.

I can’t read their tripe any more. What would happen if Supply is decreased? By their logic, gas prices will go down. silly twisted sick.


3 posted on 03/21/2012 2:35:57 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Dacula
A statistical analysis of 36 years of....gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press

I'd like to see more than just an analysis by the AP before I drink THAT kool-Aid.

4 posted on 03/21/2012 2:37:30 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Dacula

The author is a dimwit. Drilling and prices will be positively correlated any time higher prices elicit more drilling. The price decline will occur with a lag as the results of the drilling come online and increase supply


5 posted on 03/21/2012 2:38:09 PM PDT by Curmudgeon2K
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To: FreeAtlanta

We can drill every square inch of land...but since the left obscures the issue that their regs close refineries and destroy infrastructure it’s easy to make their meme ‘fact’.

The press is a Marxist entity.


6 posted on 03/21/2012 2:38:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Dacula

Here is a fact.\We may have drilled more but we are now shipping more out then we ship in? WHY? How is it economically good to ship oil out and ship oil in? USE WHAT WE GOT..........


7 posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:21 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Dacula

What would happen to the price of oil if we stopped pumping baby stop?


8 posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:24 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Psalm 73

Lies, damn lies, and The Associated Press


9 posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:52 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Dacula

10 posted on 03/21/2012 2:40:36 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior (Help us OB/GYN! You are our only hope!)
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To: Curmudgeon2K

So... are they suggesting LESS DRILLING will lower the price of gas??

What’s their explanation for the drop in Natural Gas prices in the US?


11 posted on 03/21/2012 2:41:01 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Dacula
"Yet it was during the last few months of Bush's term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.

What, specifically, does this mean? Are they saying that it would be $4.27/gallon at today's prices? What a POS way of trying to make the price under Bush seem higher than the price under Obama. Sheesh....

12 posted on 03/21/2012 2:43:16 PM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: Dacula

It’s an article from AP. Enough said.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 2:44:22 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Excellent correlation.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 2:45:27 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Dacula
In other news: Gravity is not an attractive force. Increased supply doesn't reduce costs. Summer is actually colder than winter. Water isn't wet. Dogs don't bark. 0bama is a competent President. Communism has never really been given a chance to succeed. The moon is made of green cheese.

Yeah. Sure. Great story bro!

15 posted on 03/21/2012 2:45:59 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Dacula

SETH BORENSTEIN

Science Writer at The Associated Press
member at Society of Environmental Journalists

By Seth Borenstein, Raphael Satter and Malcolm Ritter, Dec 12, 2009

“E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don’t support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.”

Press Here

How Will AP's Borenstein Respond to Peter Gleick's Admission That He Stole Documents From Heartland?

Peter Gleick, described in a related UK Guardian story as "a water scientist and president of the Pacific Institute," said last week that he "obtained" documents from the Heartland Institute about its strategy to, in part and in Borenstein's words (from his 1,000-word dispatch), "teach schoolchildren skepticism about global warming." Now, Gleick has admitted that he stole them (Gleick's description: "I solicited and received additional materials directly ... under someone else’s name"). Oops. It get worse for Borenstein and the wire service on at least two levels.

16 posted on 03/21/2012 2:47:16 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Dacula

“It was a case of drilling more and paying much more. “

And the absurdity of this situation is something to tout, draw conclusions from and establish policy on? Idiots.

Band-aid on top of band-aid. One foolish decision based on another. What a joke. We’re too f’n stupid to deserve this country.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 2:47:29 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Curmudgeon2K

If you think about it, there should be some correlation between prices and drilling but with a time lag. As oil prices rise, the incentive to drill will increase. But it takes time to start drilling. Once prices peak and start to drop, then drilling will start to drop. But it takes time to stop drilling.

This would take a bit more sophistication than what AP appears to provide.


18 posted on 03/21/2012 2:48:20 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: Dacula

Oh, OK, lets just stop drilling then, since it won’t have any negative effects.

China and the rest of the world drive demand now and therefore prices. Also, the dollar is becoming cheapened, which drives gas prices up. The better reason for us to drill here is jobs plus the $$$ we make from exports. If we hadn’t increased production, we’d be paying $6/gallon now.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 2:48:35 PM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Dacula

Here is a fact.\We may have drilled more but we are now shipping more out then we ship in? WHY? How is it economically good to ship oil out and ship oil in? USE WHAT WE GOT..........


20 posted on 03/21/2012 2:50:20 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Dacula

I remember the July of 2008 when oil reached $147 a barrel and gas reached $4 a gallon

Bush announced he would “drill baby drill” and the price of oil dropped immediately

By August it was $120 a barrel

By September below $100 a barrel

October $70 a barrel and uS gas prices @ $1.99 a gallon

November gas prices @ $1.72 a gallon

Dec oil price collapse below $40 a barrel, gas prices about $1.60 a gallon

Jan 2009: hail to president sutoro

Those were the days, my friend. Dhimmis in power ensured they would surely end.


21 posted on 03/21/2012 2:51:46 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Dacula
But Obama, who has seen gas prices go up 73 percent since he took office, was singing a different tune last week in his weekly radio address: "The truth is: The price of gas depends on a lot of factors that are often beyond our control. Unrest in the Middle East can tighten global oil supply. Growing nations like China or India adding cars to the road increases demand. But one thing we should control is fraud and manipulation that can cause prices to spike even further."

The Moron in Chief thanks the AP for this 'FACT Check'. We could Drill here and keep it for our (and Canada's use). We don't need to export it to China...China is not a friend!!

22 posted on 03/21/2012 2:53:31 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Dacula

“Yet it was during the last few months of Bush’s term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.” this last line from the article is BS and why are they adjusting it for inflation so they can make the price look higher at the end of bush’s term.

In June of 2008 the price for regular gas was high
around $4.079 per gallon but then it started going down and 7/28 it was $3.955 per gallon 8/25 it was $3.685 and 9/22 was $3.718 10/ 27 was $2.656, 11/24 it was $1.892 and 12/22/2008 it was $1.653. It has pretty much gone up since 2009 when Obama took office. I guess if we add inflation to Obamas prices it would be 1 trilion dollars per gallon

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W


23 posted on 03/21/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Dacula
Since February 2009, U.S. PRIVATE oil production has increased 15 percent when "seasonally adjusted"


24 posted on 03/21/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: allmendream
Wow, I almost believed you until you threw in "0bama is a competent President" /s
25 posted on 03/21/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by jimmango
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To: SECURE AMERICA
but we are now shipping more out then we ship in?

Who has said we ship more oil out? I know that we ship some gasoline out, but it is a very small amount compared to the amount of oil shipped in. During the period before the 2008 crash we were even shipping in gasoline because our refineries couldn't produce all we needed, but since then our demand has dropped below the refineries' production limits.

26 posted on 03/21/2012 2:55:42 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Dacula

This is genius, even if we stopped drilling for oil globally the oil wouldn’t go up. It is great to have confirmation that oil is the one commodity that doesn’t obey the laws of supply and demand.


27 posted on 03/21/2012 2:57:33 PM PDT by dila813
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To: FreeAtlanta

Question: What do President Barack Obama and ex-President Jimmy Carter have in common?

Answer: Both presided over strong increases in domestic oil production that were a result of decisions made before they took office.

The reason oil production rose under Jimmy Carter was because in 1973 President Nixon pushed through the Trans-Alaska Pipeline Authorization Act which cleared away legal challenges from environmentalists seeking to stop construction of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline. That pipeline started production in 1977, during President Carter’s first year in office, and as a result oil production rose for the first 2 years of his term.

Likewise, the reason that oil production has risen under President Obama is due to events that happened years earlier. In this case, it wasn’t some grand initiative that President Bush passed, rather it was years of steadily increasing oil prices that caused oil companies to approve a number of new projects that had marginal economics at lower oil prices. But these projects take some years to build, and as in the case of the Alaska Pipeline, decisions that were made 4-6 years earlier benefited President Obama with increased domestic oil production.

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/01/23/are-president-obamas-policies-causing-a-rise-in-u-s-oil-production/


28 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Colonial Warrior
** In the interest of further ridiculing the marxist enemy, your graphic has been appropriated by the counterrevolutionary forces **

Thanks in advance  

29 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:13 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: Dacula

.... Suppose we could drill all we want ..... but until we create more refineries ... the output will remain stagnant.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:23 PM PDT by R_Kangel
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To: silverleaf
Nothing happens in a vacuum. Part of that drop was also the economy beginning to fall off a cliff. It wasn't just drilling. It was the drop in demand.

As much as I want this to be Obama's fault...a lot of it isn't. Freepers are funny when it comes to gas prices. They fail to realize the same thing that drove oil prices up under Bush are driving it up now: SPECULATORS.

We don't have a supply problem. There is a lot of surplus out there.

31 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:34 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Dacula

January 2000 I bought gas for $0.859 per gallon.


32 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:38 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: jimmango

It is just so far out in LEFT field that I had to say it.

Even if more U.S. drilling did not reduce gas prices as a matter of history - the principle behind it is as solid as anything gets.

Water IS wet. Summer IS warmer than winter. Gravity IS an attractive force. And an increased supply of something IS going to reduce the price.

It may not have brought down the actual price because of an ever increasing DEMAND - but an increased supply will ALWAYS reduce the price more than if there was NOT an increase in supply.


33 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:44 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Its called “tribute”, friend

Its what conquered people pay to their new rulers

We pay tribute to China that holds our debt by shipping them our oil and coal, too

Next it will be our wheat, soy, and other food crops .. if not already happening

Obowma didnt kowtow to the president of China by accident, and he didnt hustle the Dalai Lama out the service entrance of the WH by accident either


34 posted on 03/21/2012 3:00:01 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Dacula

35 posted on 03/21/2012 3:03:07 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I hope you pass this information along to the bonehead who wrote the AP story.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 3:08:39 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: EdReform

It’s not drilling that produces oil, it’s pumping the wells that successful wells drilling was able to find.


37 posted on 03/21/2012 3:09:21 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: NELSON111

I believe what obowma and geithner and bernanke have given us is not rampant speculation they are “helpless” to confront ... but a weak dollar and a market that can no longer rely on the good faith of the US government that is printing all those debt notes masquerading as money

and obowma bears direct responsibility for that decision and the results, ala $4 + gasoline, in an economy that is at least as weak or worse than when Bush had his final 3 months in office

now this makes me wonder if that economic terrorist attack on the US banking system that occurred in September 2008 had anything to do with Bush’s willingness to play tough with the energy markets and speculators...


38 posted on 03/21/2012 3:10:17 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Dacula
>"even if the U.S. were to increase its oil production by 50 percent — that is more than drilling in the Arctic, increased public-lands and offshore drilling, and the Canadian pipeline would provide — it would at most cut gas prices by 10 percent. "

Sold!!! We'll Take It!!!!

Drill Baby Drill!!!

39 posted on 03/21/2012 3:10:44 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: Dacula
A textbook illustration of why economics cannot be explained by or derived from statistics. More supply must cause prices to drop unless other factors intervene. The fact-checker would have us believe that American production is the only factor affecting oil prices.

Now, truth be known, Gingrich has claimed it to be true, too. He's even mentioned a price his drilling program would attain. That's foolishness.

Nonetheless, more American oil will be a good thing.

40 posted on 03/21/2012 3:34:09 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Dacula

AP = BS

The fact is Obama has hindered all forms of carbon based energy generating production. The green schemes are not going to be major substitutes and government is bad at picking winners.


41 posted on 03/21/2012 3:35:46 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: R_Kangel

“.... Suppose we could drill all we want ..... but until we create more refineries ... the output will remain stagnant.”

And with Obama’s EPA sitting in the offices of the PRIVATE oil refineries (never happened before) waiting for them to do something ‘wrong’ (in their opinion) so they can SHUT THEM DOWN. We have a refinery here and they are all over the place like a bunch of roaches in the dark!

******

EPA’s Planned Pollution Controls on Power Plants and Refineries Called ‘Costly and Unworkable’

In an effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced that it will decide which pollution-reduction technologies work best for power plants and refineries. It plans to issue regulations over the next two years requiring power plants and refineries to implement those pollution-reduction technologies.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/epas-planned-pollution-controls-power-plants-and-refineries-called-costly-and

The EPA will issue regulations for fossil fuel power plants in July 2011 and final regulations are expected to be set by May 2012. For refineries, the regulations will start in December 2011 and then final regulations are expected to be in place by November 2012.

The standards for reducing emissions will apply to new and existing power plants and refineries that, according to McCarthy, account for 40 percent of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States. These man-made gaseous emissions allegedly contribute to global warming.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/air-pollution-official-epa-air-radiation-gina-mccarthy_1.jpg

Gina McCarthy - photo above

“We set the standards and the industries themselves figure out the most cost-effective way to achieve those standards,” she said.

“We have a lot of experience working with utilities as well as refineries, understanding the technologies that might be available to them for reductions,” said McCarthy.

In a statement on Dec. 23, the American Petroleum Institute, which represents more than 450 oil and natural gas companies, said, “EPA is cramming too much in too short of a time. The administration’s focus should be job creation and economic recovery, not unnecessary and burdensome regulations that will threaten jobs and create a drag on business efforts to invest, expand and put people back to work.”

“API hopes that EPA will reconsider its costly and unworkable greenhouse gas regulations,” said the institute. “The Clean Air Act was never intended to be used to regulate stationary source greenhouse gas emissions, and elected members of Congress should chart U.S. climate change policy.”


42 posted on 03/21/2012 3:35:55 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Dacula

Once again these morons completely miss the point. We need to decrease our dependence on radical Islamists. Gas prices will eventually come down and we will control them, not the Mideast.


43 posted on 03/21/2012 3:38:00 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Dacula

The critical point to consider about producing more oil in the USA, even if it is at global prices, is that the profits stay in the USA. And, it produces more jobs in the USA. Neither of which are important to 0dumbo.

Also, a lot of the current price spike is tied to the Fed dumping Obama bucks into the economy:

“One particular segment where Fed policy is directly resulting in skyrocketing prices is at the gas pump. From the first day that the Fed began engaging in quantitative easing back in early 2008, the impact on gas prices has been profound.

Gasoline prices have followed a predictable trend since the first days of Fed stimulus. During QE1, gasoline prices skyrocketed by +118%. Once QE1 ended in April 2010, gasoline prices immediately dropped by -27% in a matter of months, and this occurred during what is typically the strong summer driving season. Once QE2 was delivered to the market in August 2010, gasoline prices jumped another 92% by the end of this stimulus program in June 2011. Once again, the moment QE2 ended, gasoline prices retreated another -28% in a matter of months. Finally, since the latest Fed stimulus program along with the European Central Bank’s own LTRO program, we’ve seen gasoline prices skyrocket another +30%. What is even more irksome is that much of this rise in gasoline prices has occurred during a time when gasoline consumption has been falling. Have the laws of supply and demand been repealed? No, they’ve just been severely distorted by policy action.”

Good graph of this at the site:

http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/291814/gas-price-spike-its-monetary-policy-stupid-greg-pollowitz


44 posted on 03/21/2012 3:47:06 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: Dacula
A statistical analysis...by The Associated Press

oh yeah... a real brain trust that is, and unbiased ed to boot

please

45 posted on 03/21/2012 3:53:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Curmudgeon2K

Drilling for oil and refining gasoline obviously needs lagging factors before someone can judge whether or not a correlation exists. In addition, correlation is neither cause, nor proof of cause. Correlation is statistical. Cause is deterministic.


46 posted on 03/21/2012 4:01:17 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Dacula
Don't they sell the domestic oil on the world market, where Saudi Arabia alone can throttle their supply and keep the prices up?
OPEC has been in control of the crude prices for decades.

47 posted on 03/21/2012 4:09:55 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Dacula

There are several factors that influence prices. One is demand. When your economy collapses, you have fewer people commuting and fewer trucks hauling goods. Prices tend to go down.

When the economy picks up, then demand picks up. The elephant in the room is Asia; if demand picks up there, it doesn’t matter how little demand there is here, supplies are going to tighten.

So don’t look for a direct link between US drilling and US prices.

Still, if prices are high, then what oil you do drill brings more money into the US economy, and more money into the US treasury. Thats usually considered a good thing. That, plus, if you drill in the US then Americans go back to work. They buy cars and houses, and that puts other Americans back to work.

High oil prices are not automatically a bad thing, if its the result of an economy that is humming and the money is flowing to Americans. And low prices aren’t automatically good, if its the result of an economic meltdown and high unemployment.


48 posted on 03/21/2012 4:11:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: Dacula

BREAKING NEWS:

Everything you learned about supply/demand/price curves is wrong.

/s


49 posted on 03/21/2012 4:11:17 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Chode

AP......the “Global Warming Press”


50 posted on 03/21/2012 4:17:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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