Finally, Romney gets tea party support

The Washington Times ^ | March 19, 2012 | Ralph Z. Hallow

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panaxanax wrote:

"Those that stand firm stating that they “will not vote for Romney under ANY circumstance” might as well stay home or vote for the Communist/Marxist/Socialist 0bama."

Sometimes I wonder if this board's been infiltrated by Obama/Soros rabble-rousers. It seems that many folks have had problems with practically every Republican candidate that has been put forward, and strangely espouse that they would rather see Obama in than Romney.

Romney isn't my cup of tea necessarily, but if he's the candidate, I'll crawl across broken glass to vote for him to get this thing out of the White House.

[panaxanax]

“I’ll crawl across broken glass to vote for him to get this thing out of the White House.”

I’ll be crawling right next to you, my FRiend. There is way too much at stake this time to ‘make a statement’ by writing in or staying home.

[onedoug]

Re #48. With the destruction soetoro has in mind, I doubt there will be much to rebuild.

Gotta go with the lesser of two evils. At least there may be something there to build from.

[WPaCon]

let the Republicans be known as the party who opposed the destruction.

I'm not very concerned with how history will look back on the Republican party.

More important than the Republican party's reputation is ousting the traitor in the White House, even if he's being replaced by a liberal.

[af_vet_rr]

I honestly didn't see that coming since FreedomWorks is backed by libertarian money from the Koch brothers.

I would say I'm disappointed, but I'm more interested in knowing what's going on behind the scenes. Too many things are not adding up. I don't like wearing tinfoil, messes up the few hairs I have left on my head, but it sure as hell seems like the past few years have just been one big attempt to muddle the right and get folks to think they are finally going to take back the GOP from the moderates, only to see the rug pulled out from under us.

It's almost like some folks were trying to gather up a lot of the Conservatives in the party, get them thinking of themselves as Conservatives rather than Republicans, and then try and herd them back into the GOP without them realizing it.

[af_vet_rr]

It's cute that you all think that Romney is somehow better than Obama. Perhaps you're young, and haven't learned the truth. That truth is that a liberal with an (R) next to his name like Romney, is not much different from a liberal with a (D) next to their name.

The main difference is how fast they'll send us down the road to socialism. The liberal with and (R) next to their name is going to drive you down that road, make no mistake about it, and what makes him especially destructive to Conservatives, is that because he's a liberal with an (R) next to his name, he'll get the support of the Democrats and the RINOs.

If you tell yourself that this is the last time that you'll vote for a liberal with an (R) next to their name, guess what?

In 2016, you'll be telling yourself that it's the last time you'll be voting for a liberal with an (R) next to their name.

And in 2020, you'll still be telling yourself that it's the last time you'll be voting for a liberal with an (R) next to their name.

In 2024, you'll still be telling yourself that it's the last time you'll be voting for a liberal with an (R) next to their name.

In 2032, you'll still be telling yourself that it's the last time you'll be voting for a liberal with an (R) next to their name.

And so on.

A lot of us here have bent over too many damned times for the liberals with (R) next to their names, and we're done bending over. I'm an old man, I've got grandkids. God willing, I'll have a few more Presidential elections, but family medical history is working against me, so I think a lot about this stuff, and I'm going to spend my last few Presidential elections voting for a damned liberal with an (R) next to his name. 2012 marks the year I will only vote for Conservatives, true Conservatives, not Ann Coulter's definition of a conservative and not Matt Drudge's definition of a conservative.

[af_vet_rr]

Should be "I'm not going to spend my last few Presidential elections voting for a damned liberal with an (R) next to his name."

[LibLieSlayer]

I will never give up and I will go to the convention and fight on the floor if need be. The only thing that I will not do is vote for romney ever.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

Yes that is exactly what happened... but we were the action and they just co-opted it. I am not now nor will I ever be a republican again... I will vote for conservative republicans but I will never give them another penny and I will never again work for them for free... and I have done that for decades. Screw them... the gop/e are the enemy as surely as the rat commie party... commie lite... no choice at all.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

**** the gop/e and anyone trying to force their progressive socialist choice down my throat again... I was voting republican before many here were even a twinkle in their daddy’s eye. NEVER AGAIN... and I will NEVER vote for that baby killing pos romney... I do not care if Rush and Sarah come to my front door on bended knee... NFW!

LLS

[panaxanax]

>>”The main difference is how fast they’ll send us down the road to socialism.”<<
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Thank you for making my point, af_vet_rr!

Basically what you’re saying is that you are putting the ‘pedal to the metal’ to assure we surrender to a state of Socialism at a faster rate than a RINO would get us there.

The answer is to stave off the inevitable Totalitarian rule for as long as possible. Allowing 0bama to win another election will only accelerate their goal, while satisfying your selfish stand to sacrifice America’s freedom so you can say “Well, I didn’t vote for him, so it’s not my fault”. I prefer to bite my tongue and sacrifice my pride for the good of the country.

Wake up. If 0bama is elected again, you most likely won’t have “..a few more Presidential elections” to vote in.

Being old and having grandkids does not automatically make you wise. By assuming so, you are sentencing your grandkids to a brutal life sentence under oppression and slavery to a Socialist dictatorship. They will not thank you for your decision to bring about the demise of their freedoms.

Get over youself.

[Syncro]

Llooks good, but that is just going with what has been going on with elections for too long, voting for the least of two several evils.

At the time that socialism/Marxism is too close to kick in, you will have revolution.

Following the SOP as is suggested in your post, even though it's like pulling a bandaid off slowly, the discomfort of revolution is probably the only way to defeat these dedicated anti-American anti-Constitutional Republic Alyinsky/Ayers/Soros/Acorn/Rahm/Obama/ACORN types.

Plus Romney cannot defeat Obama, in fact no Conservative can unless voter fraud is addressed.

And now Romney has indicated that he will make a sharp left turn if nominated. Why not, that's his MO.

And even though there is a concentrated effort in Conservative circles, the GOP won't fight it because they think they can get the fraudulent votes enough to win. Not going to happen.

Might as well be running a McCain/Dole ticket.

Oh buy the way, the staving off isn't practical. Incrementalism is the frog in the water.

[panaxanax]

I wholeheartedly agree with 95% of what you wrote and I thank you for responding in a civil and intelligent manner.

In fact, I didn’t choose the ‘lesser of the two evils’ in 2008. I wrote in Duncan Hunter/John Bolton knowing that there was zero chance of them winning, but I felt good about making a statement and standing by my principles.

This election is totally different. We have never faced a more important or potentially destructive election in our history. America is fast approaching an intersection that is absent of street lights or stop signs. The results of the upcoming election this November will determine whether we live as slaves or as free men.

We know what to expect if the present Muslim-loving Marxist in Chief is elected again, i.e., Totalitarianism, Marxism, Communism, shredded Constitution & Bill of Rights, Socialism, 0bamacare, a Supreme Court packed with liberal Alinsky Marxists, death panels, slavery, open borders, global submission to the NWO, loss of property rights, a castrated military, increased U.N. domination and influence, gun registration and/or confiscation, astronomical increase in national debt, etc. The list of non-retrievable freedoms lost will be infinite.

>>At the time that socialism/Marxism is too close to kick in, you will have revolution.”<<

“Revolution” will not be an option, no matter how many of us old-fart Patriots spout off about welcoming it in order to regain the freedoms that America once enjoyed. By the time that we realize it is time to muster our troops, it will be well beyond too late.

>>”Oh buy the way, the staving off isn’t practical. Incrementalism is the frog in the water.”<<

I disagree. Buying time with RINO-Romney as CIC instead of a REAL Conservative would allow us to find a strong TEA Party type candidate to defeat him in 2016.

If 0bama is re-elected, it will be like dropping the frog directly into the boiling water without the chance of leaping out.

I am NOT a fan of RINO-Romney in any way, shape or form, but I do know that even as liberal as he is, he would not impose unchecked Marxist rule over us.

NEWT 2012....

[af_vet_rr]

Basically what you’re saying is that you are putting the ‘pedal to the metal’ to assure we surrender to a state of Socialism at a faster rate than a RINO would get us there.

We've had 24 years of RINOs and moderates who are there simply because the big money people want them there or because "it's their turn" and you, by supporting Romney, are just perpetuating that.

Think about it.

1988 and 1992 - George "New World Order" Bush has shown his RINO colors time and time again since his time in office. He was there because it was "his turn".

1996. Bob Dole - it was "his turn" and he's shown himself to be a moderate/RINO, complete with his pushing candidates in 2012 to drop out and support Romney.

2000 and 2004. It was supposed to be another RINO's turn, John McCain, but George W. Bush jumped ahead of McCain and took his turn earlier than he was supposed to, with the help of his daddy's friends and moneymen. Ole W gave us the biggest, most expensive, and most intrusive government in the history of our nation and he did it with a Republican Congress, although Obama is trying to beat that record. Speaking of Obama, Ole W. soured a lot of people on the GOP and helped usher in Obama.

2008. John McCain. Another wonderful big-government RINO finally gets his turn. Couldn't even beat Obama.

2012. Now you're telling us that we just need to accept Romney. Romney has been running since 2006 and many have been saying it's his turn. He's so far left he really should be a Democrat.

You want to continue the streak of over two decades of RINOs and moderates getting the nomination, you go right ahead and support Romney.

You say that it's to stave off the inevitable Totalitarian rule for as long as possible but for 24 damned years we've been running these RINO and moderate candidates pretending to be Conservatives and all it's down is pushed us down that road a little further.

If people like you aren't willing to make a stand now, we'll get another 24 years of these same types of Republicans.

24 years from now, if God willing, you're still alive, remember this conversation, because you will be knee deep in socialism if people like Romney continue to win the nomination.

[af_vet_rr]

I disagree. Buying time with RINO-Romney as CIC instead of a REAL Conservative would allow us to find a strong TEA Party type candidate to defeat him in 2016.

Putting aside the fact that the largest and most well-funded Tea Party group has now dropped their opposition to Romney, if Obama isn't enough of a motivation for the Tea Party movement to get a Conservative nominated in 2012, Romney is not going to be enough of a motivation in 2016.

[panaxanax]

Have you read anything I’ve said?

The irony of it all is that I agree with most of what you have said.

I have clearly stated in every one of my posts that I am NOT a supporter of RINO-Romney. I am NOT telling people to support this RINO in the Primary. Read this carefully...If Romney is the GOP candidate in the General election we will have but one choice and that is to force ourselves to “bite our tongues” and pull the lever for him. I really don’t know how much simpler I can make it.

You know it and so do I that a vote for anyone but the chosen GOP candidate, whomever he/she may be, will be a vote for 0bama. America will die a quick, but painful death.

As for kicking the can down the road (yet again) I honestly think that it is a better choice than being run over by a Mack truck called Socialism. At least that will give us a chance to hopefully find someone, somewhere, that will emerge on the scene and we can rally behind a true Conservative for a change.

I swear to you from the bottom of my heart that I feel your frustration about this election and our lack of a candidate that we can get excited about. It sucks that the Republican party has become infiltrated by RINO’s and shifted to the left. Who’s fault is that? Ours and ours alone!
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“1988 & 1992” - I agree 100% with you.
“1996” - I agree 100% with you.
“2000 and 2004” - I agree 100% with you.
“2008” - I agree 100% with you.
“2012” - I DO NOT agree with you. If it comes down to Romney or 0bama, I will choose Romney and suffer through his BS in hopes of him being a one-termer to be replaced by a REAL CONSERVATIVE.

We’re on the same team, my FRiend. We may find ourselves in the same ‘fox-hole’ during the revolution as we fight 0bama’s Socialist Army in order to regain our country.

[af_vet_rr]

If Romney is the GOP candidate in the General election we will have but one choice and that is to force ourselves to “bite our tongues” and pull the lever for him. I really don’t know how much simpler I can make it.

Well I apologize for saying you were a Romney supporter, but I have to disagree with you on this. We've been having to bite our tongues on and off for 24 years and look where we are at in 2012 - deeper in debt with a larger government and Obama in the White House. When we get Republicans in the White House, the opportunities to roll back government get pissed away time and time again, with or without a Republican Congress.

Are we going to do this for another 24 years? Keep biting our tongue and voting for whichever RINO whose turn it is? Keep watching the government grow in power, size, and expense? Because if you look at how far we've fallen in 24 years, I dread how far we will have fallen in the next 24 years.

I swear to you from the bottom of my heart that I feel your frustration about this election and our lack of a candidate that we can get excited about. It sucks that the Republican party has become infiltrated by RINO’s and shifted to the left. Who’s fault is that? Ours and ours alone!

It is our fault, because we keep biting our tongue and voting for RINOs. When we pull the lever for a RINO, we are telling the GOP that it's okay for them to run RINOs. We're bending over for them.

More importantly, we are guaranteeing that the line of RINO nominees is going to perpetuate itself in future elections.

A big basis for your argument is that Romney will win and we/Tea Party movement can then replace him in 2016. If the Tea Party movement can't mobilize for a Conservative candidate to run against Obama in 2012, it won't be able to mobilize for a Conservative candidate to run against Willard in 2016.

Furthermore, Romney will not win against Obama. Romney wins because he is a moderate and because he is literally outspending his opponents. Guess what? Obama is going to outspend him in a big way, and we will see Romney's full record, wealth, and faith paraded front and center across American television screens. Romney will lose. He has never had to go up against a candidate who can outspend him and who will have his proxies make a serious issue of his wealth, political flip-flops and actions, and faith.

If the GOP wants my vote, they can start nominating Conservative candidates. I'm done biting my tongue and voting for crappy RINOs. 24 years of crappy RINOs and all they do is lose to Democrats or expand the government instead of rolling it back.

[Sister_T]

According to this story, FreedomWorks says differently:

"We're not in the tank for Romney at all"

It's from cBS so take it for what it's worth. According to their tweets, though, FreedomWorks denies that they are endorsing Romney.

[tomkat]

Finally, Romney gets tea party support

[Syncro]

I agree with about 5% of what you wrote.

Romney is an Obama mini-me.

He will govern much like Obama does/will.

The problem is that the GOP will back him because he is a Republican, even though if Obama throws out the same proposals they fight against them.

Romney has made it clear that he will etch-a-sketch his conservatism and campaign to the left if he gets the nomination.

The GOP has had their chance to run a candidate with good Conservative values and ideas, but they do all they can to destroy them instead.

Romney can't win against Obama, and I would never vote for him. Along with many other Comservatives that are fed up with the next-in-line GOP golden boys.