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To: iontheball

“Their theory is that crude is a natural occurring substance found in the molten center of the earth and works its way out to the ‘relative surface’ of the earth through fissures in the mantel.”

Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds?


11 posted on 03/17/2012 6:03:55 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road; iontheball
“Their theory is that crude is a natural occurring substance found in the molten center of the earth and works its way out to the ‘relative surface’ of the earth through fissures in the mantel.”

Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds?


Two problems:

1. According to the abiogenic theory, crude does not originate in the "molten center" of the earth or in magma but from premordial methane trapped in the mantle under high pressure (also, as far as "fossil" goes, there are entire moons of liquid hydrocarbons).

2. Petroleum has been found in all sorts of geology (such as under basement rock), not only in "ancient seabeds." Methane, the feedstock of petroluem according to the abiogenic theory, seeps up everywhere. It's just that there are certain geological formations or geological conditions that can more easily trap petroleum, just as there are certain environmental conditions that facilitate the accumulation of methane, such as the cold and water pressure that trap undersea methane hydrates.

Thomas Gold's original monograph, The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth, Thomas Gold, U.S.G.S. Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993 And a collection of his papers is HERE.

You can also look at this (though, it may not work if you're not a member of a library with a subscription to the journal): Kropotkin, P. N. (1985) Degassing of the Earth and the Origin of Hydrocarbons, published in the International Geology Review, 27, 1261-1275. I'll see if my school has such a subscription. Freepmail me.
17 posted on 03/17/2012 7:05:33 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dusty Road

“Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds”

It isn’t ,, but the reason it is found in such areas close to the surface, is that the sedimentary rock is more porous, and allows it’s migration upwards FAR easier than the areas composed of Igneous and Metamorphic rock.

The oil in such stone is nearly at the surface (in the larger sense). But it is because the oil can travel through such stone, not because thats where it was made.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Dusty Road

Nobody is putting any “energy” into exploring this but it occurred to me years ago that oil might actually be a “renewable” resource. I saw an article on North Carolina trawlers bringing up chunks of solid methane. The stuff occurs naturally at depth under pressure. These are the same areas that get subducted globally. Hmmm. Pure CH4 under heat and pressure 10s of thousands of feet below the earth’s surface. If we can do the Fischer Tropsch in a lab why can’t the eareth itself do the same thing. Making aliphatic long carbon chains from methane.

This is not PC science. Global warming is.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 2:14:30 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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