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To: Mr Rogers

I went back and read the testimony.

About all you can infer from it is:

1) She’s a law student.

2) Some female law students can spend as much as $3000/3 years for birth control

3) Some women need the birth control to treat maladies (sp?) such as endometriosis, etc.

4) She had a good friend that had a cyst on her ovary b/c her birth control was not covered ($100/month) and her ovary had to be removed and she may go into early menopause and not be able to give her mother the grandkids she desires and that it is Georgetown’s fault that this is so.

So....

Is Sandra Fluke a “slut”? Maybe, maybe not. No clear linkage can be drawn either way. An indirect link can be drawn as I have indicated above.

Is Sandra Fluke dishonest? I’d say so. Trying to induce collective guilt for her friend with the ovarian cyst certainly indicates that to me.

Your contention that Rush’s accusation - “that she wants, and says she NEEDS, $1000/year for birth control” was NOT part of her testimony.

The object lesson here is to hang people on the words they actually said, not what someone else says they say.

Re: your statement that “If someone NEEDS sex 1,000+ times a year, what are they?” presumes $1.00/birth control/horizontal bop which I think remains to be shown. ‘Pod.


396 posted on 03/03/2012 4:54:22 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: sauropod

“Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy...

...In the media lately, conservative Catholic organizations have been asking: what did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school? We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success. We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of cura personalis, to care for the whole person, by meeting all of our medical needs. We expected that when we told our universities of the problems this policy created for students, they would help us. We expected that when 94% of students opposed the policy, the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for completely unsubsidized by the university, especially when the university already provides contraceptive coverage to faculty and staff. We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that if we wanted comprehensive insurance that met our needs, not just those of men, we should have gone to school elsewhere, even if that meant a less prestigious university. We refuse to pick between a quality education and our health, and we resent that, in the 21st century, anyone thinks it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.”

http://lsrj.org/documents/Sandra%20Fluke%20Written%20Testimony_House%20Committee%20on%20Oversight%20and%20Government%20Reform_2.16.12.pdf

No, she did NOT say, “I personally need $1000/year for my sex.” However, when she says “WE” and “LIKE ME”, the implication is that her testimony is personal.

You can disagree if you wish, but perhaps Rush’s apology should have been, “I need to apologize to Ms Fluke. She never said SHE needed $1000/year for sex - just that 40% of Georgetown female students do. Apparently, it isn’t Ms Fluke who needs lots of sex, but nearly half of Georgetown’s female students. She merely implied she was one of those with ‘needs’!”

You wrote: ““If someone NEEDS sex 1,000+ times a year, what are they?” presumes $1.00/birth control/horizontal bop which I think remains to be shown...”

See here:

http://www.amazon.com/Durex-Pleasure-Pack-Condom-Count/dp/B003H8KPY8/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1330823590&sr=1-1

At 33 cents/condom, I arguably underestimated the NEEDS of the Georgetown sluts. I sincerely doubt most men use more than 3 condoms/sex act...

Of course, what Fluke was arguing was that birth control pills - name brand, not the $9/month no-name variety - are essential for women’s health, and that it is such an essential need that other people need to pay the bill. And I think it is obvious that Fluke KNEW her testimony was misleading:

“You might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s not true. Women’s health clinics provide vital medical services, but as the Guttmacher Institute has documented, clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing and women are being forced to go without.”

She knew damn well that birth control pills ARE available for free or at very minimal cost.


445 posted on 03/03/2012 5:19:39 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: sauropod

“If someone NEEDS sex 1,000+ times a year, what are they?”

Is 1,000 times a year really too much?


453 posted on 03/03/2012 5:22:33 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: sauropod
4) She had a good friend that had a cyst on her ovary b/c her birth control was not covered ($100/month) and her ovary had to be removed and she may go into early menopause and not be able to give her mother the grandkids she desires and that it is Georgetown’s fault that this is so.

I think I can speak to this since I also lost an ovary to cysts. With the one remaining ovary I went through in vitro (blocked tubes) and had twins. So, in my opinion, unless there is something wrong with the remaining ovary, her friend is full of it.

499 posted on 03/03/2012 5:44:41 PM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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