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To: trisham

It’s perfectly fair because his position, if adhered to, would result in the killing of hundreds of thousands of babies.

People will not vote for an absolute law forbidding abortion.

This was proven in Mississippi where they tried to pass a law called ‘personhood.’ The Personhood law basically said that once a conception took place resulting in an embryo, that embryo was a person and anything done to the embryo could be prosecuted the same was as if it were done to any other person.

Mississippi was very pro life and this law was expected to pass easily.

Instead, it was defeated overwhelmingly. Everyone was shocked.

People will not vote for a drastic law and the purists would rather kill thousands, hundreds of thousands of babies than to compromise.

That makes them evil and I will not back down from that.


59 posted on 02/24/2012 10:12:31 AM PST by altura
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To: altura; EternalVigilance; wagglebee
It’s perfectly fair because his position, if adhered to, would result in the killing of hundreds of thousands of babies.

People will not vote for an absolute law forbidding abortion...People will not vote for a drastic law and the purists would rather kill thousands, hundreds of thousands of babies than to compromise.

That makes them evil and I will not back down from that.

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No one is more pro life than EV. Your charge is disgusting.

60 posted on 02/24/2012 10:40:15 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: altura
It’s perfectly fair because his position, if adhered to, would result in the killing of hundreds of thousands of babies.

Nonsense. If my position were adhered to, not a single innocent person would be intentionally killed anywhere in America under the color of "law."

Conversely, your position, which is that we can ignore the most important explicit, imperative provisions of the U.S. Constitution, assures that the God-given, unalienable rights of every person, and the premise of American liberty, are expendable. The killing will go on right up until God's judgment falls on us all.

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."

-- Thomas Jefferson


61 posted on 02/24/2012 11:00:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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To: altura
People will not vote for an absolute law forbidding abortion.

The rights of the people, all the people, are God-given, not man-given. Therefore, they are not legitimately subject to democratic decision-making. That's what it means to be a republic - a nation of laws, not of men.

You didn't know this?

Sad.

Natural law and natural rights and natural right were the premise of the American Revolution.

63 posted on 02/24/2012 11:13:12 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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To: altura
"It (the Declaration of Independence) stands, and must forever stand alone, a beacon on the summit of the mountain, to which all the inhabitants of the earth may turn their eyes for a genial and saving light till time shall be lost in eternity, and this globe itself dissolve, nor leave a wreck behind. It stands forever, a light of admonition to the rulers of men, a light of salvation and redemption to the oppressed ... (as the delineation of) the boundries of their respective rights and duties, founded in the laws of nature, and of nature's God."

-- John Quincy Adams


64 posted on 02/24/2012 11:18:39 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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To: altura
"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."

-- John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 1763


65 posted on 02/24/2012 11:19:28 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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To: altura
"Oaths in this country are as yet universally considered as sacred obligations."

-- John Adams


66 posted on 02/24/2012 11:21:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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To: altura
"[W]here is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths...?"

-- George Washington, Farewell Address


67 posted on 02/24/2012 11:23:37 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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To: altura; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; ...
People will not vote for an absolute law forbidding abortion.

There are actually two ways of looking at that:

1. WE the people have NEVER been given the opportunity to vote on a law outlawing abortion.

2. Once we agree that an unborn baby is a person, the baby is entitled to full protection under the 5th and 14th amendments. This protection makes any law allowing abortion unconstitutional and it doesn't matter what the people will vote for.

68 posted on 02/24/2012 11:25:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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