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To: fortheDeclaration

Seriously? Ted Olson worked for Reagan and Bush. He’s a big-time conservative, Goldwater guy...he has a different legal perspective on gay rights, however. Sees it as a rights issue, not a “morality” issue.


21 posted on 02/22/2012 12:13:26 PM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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Seriously? Ted Olson worked for Reagan and Bush. He’s a big-time conservative, Goldwater guy...he has a different legal perspective on gay rights, however. Sees it as a rights issue, not a “morality” issue.

I take it you agree with Ted Olsen's position?

I take it you think that this is a Civil Rights issue?

36 posted on 02/22/2012 12:21:42 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: magritte
Yes, I remember Olson being involved in defending some questionable issues.

Goldwater also went over to the Homosexaul lobby as well.

The fact is that in no way could redefining marriage to include same-sex be considered 'conservative'.

The legal rights that homosexuals have is for 'unions', but that isn't good enough for them, they want to change reality from the fact that they are involved in a depraved lifestyle and want it to be considered normal.

That is the REAL agenda, not rights.

39 posted on 02/22/2012 12:24:26 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: magritte; fortheDeclaration; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Seriously? Ted Olson worked for Reagan and Bush.

Plenty of people who worked for Reagan turned into leftists, and none of the Bushes have really been all that conservative.

He’s a big-time conservative, Goldwater guy...he has a different legal perspective on gay rights, however.

What is it with the RINOs and Goldwater?

Goldwater was an ABSOLUTE FAILURE as a candidate. Have you noticed that Democrats NEVER try to compare themselves to McGovern, Mondale or Dukakis, Republicans would be wise to do the same with Goldwater. Goldwater was a libertarian and lost in a landslide. Reagan understood that conservatism REQUIRES social conservatism and he won two landslides.

Sees it as a rights issue, not a “morality” issue.

You really have it in for social conservatives don't you.

Homosexuals have EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS to get married that everyone else does and they always have. There has NEVER BEEN A LAW in the United States that barred homosexuals from getting married.

magritte, I'm really starting to think that you are on the wrong forum.

61 posted on 02/22/2012 12:45:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: magritte

No one to my knowledge prevents sodomites from engaging in their perversion. As for the equal rights aspect, a same sex relationship cannot reasonably be considered the same as a heterosexual union for the simple reason that they are literally not the same. A man/man relationship, for example, cannot become one, i.e. produce a child. There is no union, just two people using each other to masturbate. Now why should we grant mutual masturbation the same protections as heterosexual unions? Answer: we shouldn’t, because they are not equal relationships.


73 posted on 02/22/2012 12:57:28 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: magritte
Ted Olson worked for Reagan and Bush. He’s a big-time conservative, Goldwater guy...he has a different legal perspective on gay rights, however. Sees it as a rights issue, not a “morality” issue.

It's just that our American rights came from God, not mankind; and the intentions of the Founders were that those rights would come from Nature and Nature's God, not from test-tubes, turkey basters, the ACLU or Doctor Evil.

88 posted on 02/22/2012 2:53:49 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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Magritte:

What does being a "Goldwater guy" have to do with being an actual conservative? Barry Goldwater's first wife Peggy served on the national Board of Directors of Planned Barrenhood from about 1940 until her death in the mid-1970s. His last wife was another baby-killing enthusiast. Barry bragged publicly about bringing his daughter Susan to abort his grandchild and said that anyone who did not like that could kiss his ass. Barry betrayed Ronaldus Maximus regularly because of Barry's refusal to support a restoration of Western Civilization. Barry supported feckless Gerald Ford (as did Ayn Rand) because Ford and wife Betty were cheerleaders for abortion and Barry even cut a commercial for the 1976 California primary asking whether Californians REALKY wanted Reagan's finger near the nuclear button (the only thing missing being the little girl and the daisy).

Barry was also a persistent supporter of male homosexuality since at least two of his otherwise male descendants were sexual perverts of that sort.

Ted Olson, like Goldwater, is straight personally but is an enabler of the social perversions. Next we will be hearing how abortion is part of the "American dream" and something intended by the Founding Fathers when it is entirely more likely that they would have found abortion to be a pretext justifying them in tarring and feathering abortionists and riding them out of town on a rail as a preliminary to burning them at the stake.

The New Haven Colony (which joined with the Connecticut Colony to form the State of Connecticut), had a 17th century ordinance providing the death penalty for mere homosexual orientation, no actual sexual performance being necessary to qualify for such condemnation to capital punishment. Neither the Rev. Mr. Jonathan Davenport nor his immediate successors were confused or to be trifled with on this subject.

Thus abortion and sexual perversion posing as "marriage" are morality issues and never "rights" issues.

We are conservatives and NOT libertoonians.

102 posted on 02/22/2012 5:18:53 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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