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To: Kansas58
Congress does not agree with you.
Then it should be simple enough for you to show where Congress has the authority to determine who is and isn't a natural born citizen and that their Constitutional authority goes beyond rules of naturalization.

The Courts do not agree with you.
SCOTUS has never heard the issue as all of the cases were dismissed prior to the case being heard in court.

Yet? You treat yourself like you are the legal genius here?
And yet you are the real legal genius?

The case in question, that Madison speaks of...
Yes, let's discuss that case further and read down a bit past where you traditionally end your quote...
@James Madison, House of Representatives 22 May 1789

I think there is a distinction which will invalidate his doctrine in this particular, a distinction between that primary allegiance which we owe to that particular society of which we are members, and the secondary allegiance we owe to the sovereign established by that society. This distinction will be illustrated by the doctrine established by the laws of Great Britain, which were the laws of this country before the revolution. The sovereign cannot make a citizen by any act of his own; he can confer denizenship, but this does not make a man either a citizen or subject. In order to make a citizen or subject, it is established, that allegiance shall first be due to the whole nation; it is necessary that a national act should pass to admit an individual member. In order to become a member of the British empire, where birth has now endowed the person with that privilege, he must be naturalized by an act of parliament.

And just a bit further down...

What was the allegiance as a citizen of South-Carolina, he owed to the King of Great Britain? He owed his allegiance to him as a King of that society to which, as a society he owed his primary allegiance. When that society separated from Great Britain, he was bound by that act and his allegiance transferred to that society, or the sovereign which that society should set up, because it was through his membership of the society of South-Carolina, that he owed allegiance to Great Britain.

So, no your argument of Madison proving your assertion is wrong.

175 posted on 02/23/2012 1:00:07 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
So what say you now?
You should thank your lucky stars I'm not a legal genius.
One of them would eat you alive.
176 posted on 02/23/2012 1:56:42 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: cynwoody

You might find reply #175 informative as well.


179 posted on 02/23/2012 2:56:08 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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