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You can now carry your gun at Florida State Fair
tbo.com ^ | 15 February, 2012 | WILLIAM MARCH

Posted on 02/15/2012 6:40:40 AM PST by marktwain

TAMPA --

Following complaints by a gun rights group, and a law passed by the Florida Legislature last year, you can now carry your gun at the Florida State Fair.

"We have changed the policy to comply with the state law – it allows a person with a concealed weapon permit to come in with a firearm," said Charles Pesano, executive director of the State Fair Authority. "We've changed some signs to reflect that."

Instead of "No Weapons," the signs now say, "No Unlawful Weapons."

The policy changed Sunday, after Florida Carry Inc. and Marion Hammer of the Florida NRA complained to state Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam, said Sean Caranna of Florida Carry, a gun rights group.

At the same time, local members of the group complained to the State Fair Authority after a member of Florida Carry was denied admittance Saturday.

Pesano said the authority decided after meetings Sunday to change its policy.

"It was brought to our attention, and we quickly determined we wanted to be in compliance with the state law – we acted within minutes."

It's the first time in his experience, which covers eight state fairs, that fairgoers have been allowed to carry weapons.

"Since I've been here, the policy has been not to allow weapons on the fairgrounds just through good common sense," Pesano said.

The change was required by a 25-year-old law in which the state Legislature took control of all firearms regulations, declaring local government ordinances void -- an act known as "pre-emption."

But the law wasn't generally enforced, said Arthur Hayhoe of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

"That law had no penalties so a lot of local governments ignored it," he said. "Some local governments dropped some laws, and a lot of them kept their laws."

In 2011 however, the Legislature passed a new law imposing tough penalties -- fines of $5,000 against officials of any local government that enforces a gun control law, along with removal from office by the governor and provisions for individuals and organizations to sue the local government for damages and legal fees.

Caranna said the gun rights groups contacted Putnam before the fair and were told the policy would be changed.

"They've been violating this law for nearly 25 years, and we wanted to make sure it didn't happen again this year," he said. "Unfortunately, it did happen."

A Putnam spokesman couldn't provide any comment from the agriculture commissioner Tuesday afternoon.

Scott Barrish of Plant City, a member of Florida Carry, sent complaints to Putnam and Pesano after another member, Charles D. Bingham, said on the group's Facebook page that he was searched and denied entry to the fair while carrying a gun Saturday.

Barrish, a Republican candidate for Hillsborough County clerk of court, said he went to the fair Monday, carrying his Springfield Armory 1911 Range Officer semi-automatic pistol.

Barrish said he carries a firearm "everywhere that it's legal for me to do so," because, "I take responsibility for my own safety and that of my family and friends – law enforcement can't be everywhere every single second."

But Hayhoe said the law "has created a lot of problems, and there are a lot of people angry about it – people can't post their land for no firearms.

"Local governments can't do anything – they can't pass or enforce any law that even has the word gun in it."

Last month, the Hernando County commissioners cited the law in reluctantly allowing a Spring Hill homeowner Paul Hargis of Hague Court to sell guns from his home, despite objections from the neighborhood.

Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office Major Al Greco, in charge of security for the fair, said in past years, officers made anywhere from two or three to 15 or 20 arrests during the fair, mostly for fighting, drug or weapon possession.

He said he didn't know how many had been made this year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; fair; fl
Nice to see the Florida preemption law with some teeth. I think some eyes are being opened by the admission that many governments simply ignored the law for decades, yet they gleefully prosecuted other scofflaws.
1 posted on 02/15/2012 6:40:45 AM PST by marktwain
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I wonder if we will see roaving bands of Amish youth attacking whitey at the Florida State Fair this year?


2 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:21 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: Bushbacker1

Thanks to Bushbacker1 for the tip.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:45 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I wonder why so many State Fairs are held on fairgrounds where you feel compelled to carry heat. The Michigan State Fairgrounds for example are at 8 Mile and Woodward in Detroit.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 7:01:07 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marktwain

The Wisconsin State Fair is where you really need this protection.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 7:03:50 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I wonder why so many State Fairs are held on fairgrounds where you feel compelled to carry heat.

Urban growth. The fairgrounds used to be well outside of city limits, but the cities grew out around them.

6 posted on 02/15/2012 7:05:54 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I wonder why so many State Fairs are held on fairgrounds where you feel compelled to carry heat.

Why do you feel compelled to put a seat belt on when you get in your car?

7 posted on 02/15/2012 7:10:16 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

I don’t get it. Why do you need to pack a gun at the fair? Why take a gun to an art museum?

Why take a fire extinguisher to a drive-in movie?

Why take GPS to a state park?

Why pack a lunch to work?

Why not just live off your surroundings like a Buddhist monk?

(/sarc)


8 posted on 02/15/2012 7:16:01 AM PST by Rinnwald
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"Why do you feel compelled to put a seat belt on when you get in your car?"

Because I'll get a ticket if I don't?

9 posted on 02/15/2012 7:19:03 AM PST by BlueLancer (KOMEN PINK: The color of the water in the basin after Pilate finished washing his hands)
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Because I'll get a ticket if I don't?

LOL. Cute.

10 posted on 02/15/2012 7:20:57 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the hat tip! I live only 20 miles from the fair and have never gone. Might go this year just to see what happens when they find I carry two concealed pistols.


11 posted on 02/15/2012 7:49:02 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I wonder why so many State Fairs are held on fairgrounds where you feel compelled to carry heat.

Because the responsibility of personal protection is a 24/7 job. Complacency offers no protection.

12 posted on 02/15/2012 8:35:04 AM PST by Niteranger68 (When voting, if you are not willing to work in the kitchen, order from the menu.)
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Didn't someone once say "How quickly we forget?"

Report: Black ‘Mobs’ Attack White Patrons Outside Wis. State Fair

It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people.”

That’s how Norb Roffers described the scene outside the Wisconsin State Fair on Thursday night to Newsradio 620 WTMJ in Milwaukee. “They were attacking everybody for no reason whatsoever,” he added.

Roffers and others painted a grim and detailed picture of what unfolded during the first day of the fair.

“It was 100% racial,” claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran who told the station that young people beat on his car.

WTMJ sums up their accounts: “Witnesses’ accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.”

Milwaukee Police confirmed to WTMJ that officers responded to “complaints of battery, fighting and property damage due to a large, unruly crowd.”

However, since reports of injuries were still coming in, police could not give a detailed account of what happened.

Here is just some of what the witnesses claim to have experienced:

“I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn’t do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody’s windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it.”

“That rated right up there with it. When I saw the amount of kids coming down the road, all I kept thinking was, ‘There’s not enough cops to handle this.‘ There’s no way. It would have taken the National Guard to control the number of kids that were coming off the road. They were knocking people off their motorcycles.”

“As we got closer to the street, we looked up the road, and we saw a quite a bit of commotion going on and there was a guy laying in the road, and nobody was even laying there. He wasn’t even moving. Finally a car pulled up. They stopped right next to the guy, and it looked like someone was going to help him. We were kind of stuck, because we couldn’t cross. Traffic was going through. Young black men running around, beating on people, and we were like ‘Let’s get the heck out of here.’ The light turned, and I got attacked from behind. I just got hit in the back of the head real hard. I’m like, ‘What the heck is going on here?’ I heard my bell ring.”

Roffers further described what witnesses said happened to the man who was lying in the street.

“People were saying he was on a bike. They tore him off his bike and beat on him. We were walking to the west on Schlinger. I was watching behind me a lot more diligently, making sure there wasn’t anybody coming to get us anymore.”

“I saw them grab this wide kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face.”

Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.

“My wife pulled me back in because she didn’t want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn’t see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage.”

Eric claimed that the victim in that beating was by himself, and that there was a split of white people on one sidewalk and black people on the other.

“There was nobody else around to help him. There were no other white people, period, on that side of the street. They were going in the opposite direction because, those people who were coming out of the fair that saw these people coming, they either went back into the fair or took off running south on 84th Street.”

“The thing that irritated me, the State Fair Police, the State Police, were down by the Pettit entrance to get in there,” said Eric. “There was probably 5 or 6 officers down there. That’s where all these kids came from. They came out of the Midway, across the front of the Pettit. They were still filing out of there. The State Fair Police, they knew this was going on. They knew these kids were beating these guys in between that exit and Schlinger at the next gate.”

“They were stopping traffic, and I said ‘What in the hell,’ excuse my language, ‘what are you guys doing directing traffic when there are 300, 400 black kids up the road beating the hell out of everybody, pushing people off of motorcycles?’ I was livid. I could not believe they were directing traffic.”

You can read more first-hand accounts from WTMJ.


13 posted on 02/15/2012 8:56:10 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I wonder why so many State Fairs are held on fairgrounds where you feel compelled to carry heat.

Wealth redistribution.

It's a way to deliver money carrying prey to the gangs of urban yoots.


14 posted on 02/15/2012 8:59:39 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: marktwain
The best part is that the bill text:
(a) Any person, county, agency, municipality, district, or other entity that violates the Legislature's occupation of the whole field of regulation of firearms and ammunition, as declared in subsection (1), by enacting or causing to be enforced any local ordinance or administrative rule or regulation impinging upon such exclusive occupation of the field shall be liable as set forth herein.
appears to also subject any LEO who enforces such a local ordinance to personal penalties, including termination of employment. Individuals impacted by illegal local laws have standing to sue, and be reimbursed for reasonable attorney fees.
15 posted on 02/15/2012 9:24:38 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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