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The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to buy guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is the opposite of preventing criminals from possessing guns.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

1 posted on 02/14/2012 1:11:08 PM PST by marktwain
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Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608785/posts


2 posted on 02/14/2012 1:12:36 PM PST by marktwain
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I guess Rahm hasn’t paid sufficient big buck penalties on behalf of the city of Chicago.

This is an outrage.


3 posted on 02/14/2012 1:13:42 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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And I’m sure all the Chicago gangbangers will be the first ones to register, and pay the fee for, all of their weapons./s


4 posted on 02/14/2012 1:16:30 PM PST by Signalman
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:: the law could provide for stricter punishments for those caught with illegal firearms, in turn deterring criminal possession of guns. ::

Uuuh-huh, sure. A gang-banger, when considering his drive-by mayhem will drop the plan because he might get the ^additional^ violation of being in possession of an unregistered firearm on top of the 15 other felony counts.

Talk about your “scared straight”..../sarc


5 posted on 02/14/2012 1:19:37 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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:: the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. ::

Exactly how the sheeple have ben voting since the Great Depression.


6 posted on 02/14/2012 1:21:23 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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Illinois already registers guns and owners by requiring they possess a FOI card. Without the ID you cannot buy ammo in Illinois, when you buy the ammo is goes into a database with your name and address. Guess what, the state now knows what type of weapons you own. I got around it by leaving most of my guns in Wisconsin and having family members buy the ammo we needed for hunting or shooting. Very soon Illinois will be an island unto itself, surrounded by conceal carry states with reciprocity with other conceal carry states. Wonder where all the criminals will go for easy pickings?
7 posted on 02/14/2012 1:21:44 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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I think I've figured out their logic.

If the robbed have no guns, and the robber does ... the robbed gives up the money ... no shots fired, no "gun violence"

Rapes, robberies and murders still occur, and even escalate ... just with less "gun violence"



... and the idiots buy into it.

10 posted on 02/14/2012 1:32:18 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Street gangs will have to sell more drugs so they can afford to pay the fee for their guns.


11 posted on 02/14/2012 1:46:51 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Never Regret Anything Because At One Time It Was Exactly What You Wanted")
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Rahm and this Jeff Schoenberg can kiss my ass. And Rahm can take that $65.00 fee per handgun and stick it up his Dual Citizen patoot. (The fascist s.o.b. isn't even a real American! And that 'Schoenberg' mutt is prolly a Dual Citizen too.)

So I'll register all my handguns when they both personally come to me to get the serial numbers. And I suggest they bring a lunch, 'cause it'll be a loooooooong day.

I'm a BATF Licensed Collector and I follow all their laws and regs with my guns and that's enough. Period, end. So ESAD 'Rahm-Father'

12 posted on 02/14/2012 1:47:18 PM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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Schoenberg is not running for re-election this year. He probably supports this anyway, but his not running probably gives him added eagerness to speak out.

With Chicago’s past of either gangster or criminal violence, it’s not surprising that its leaders are squeamish about allowing even normal access to firearms.

Chicago and Illinois will be the last City and State to allow concealed carry, long after everyone else has already done it.


14 posted on 02/14/2012 2:09:49 PM PST by re_tail20
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Paging Mr. Gura, you have a call on line 1.


16 posted on 02/14/2012 2:53:05 PM PST by atomic_dog
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In some ways, this is worse than the Canadian system. In Canada, at least one who is licensed can register a pistol (if it has a legal barrel-length) free (no fee), and one can even do it over the internet — and from outside the country.

$65 per gun for registration, as proposed for IL, is preposterous.

On the other hand, gun usage should be licensed to ensure competence in safe handling, and to screen out felons. Registering guns is questionable; licensing people makes sense.

[I wish that we were stricter is licensing drivers. About half our drivers are below acceptable competency. Anyone who requires a special parking place because they are too feeble to walk a short distance on a level, paved surface, is probably too weak and uncoordinated to be driving a vehicle at all.]

As it is now, it is virtually impossible in some places to get a pistol-carry permit: IL, NJ, most of CA, MD, MA, and NYC. Some other states also make it impossible for non-residents to get permits, or they charge intentionally unreasonable fees.

Licensing does not bother me. What bothers me is being told that it is useless even to apply, because no one will be permitted in NJ. That is not an honest system.


18 posted on 02/14/2012 3:09:09 PM PST by docbnj
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I was last in Chicago in 2005 to attend the settlement of my wife’s father’s estate. When I left I promised myself I would never return. And I haven’t. And I never will.

What a cesspool that place is.


22 posted on 02/15/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by OldPossum (ou)
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