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The new American divide
American Enterprise Institute ^ | January 23, 2012 | Charles Murray

Posted on 01/25/2012 8:44:30 PM PST by JerseyanExile

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1 posted on 01/25/2012 8:44:32 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile
Great article that explains many of America's problems. At least until he get to the paragraph

Life sequestered from anybody not like yourself tends to be self-limiting. Places to live in which the people around you have no problems that need cooperative solutions tend to be sterile. America outside the enclaves of the new upper class is still a wonderful place, filled with smart, interesting, entertaining people. If you're not part of that America, you've stripped yourself of much of what makes being American special.

which is the obligatory nod to political correctness.

2 posted on 01/25/2012 9:17:40 PM PST by The people have spoken
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As I've argued in much of my previous work, I think that the reforms of the 1960s jump-started the deterioration. Changes in social policy during the 1960s made it economically more feasible to have a child without having a husband if you were a woman or to get along without a job if you were a man; safer to commit crimes without suffering consequences; and easier to let the government deal with problems in your community that you and your neighbors formerly had to take care of.

American liberalism from both parties is always feeding and supporting our weaknesses, all of us know the big city welfare stuff, but when my parents retired and moved to the country, my step dad learned that his pond (and/or?) fencing for the cattle was subsidized by the government, as anti-welfare people we had a huge laugh, but he accepted the money nonetheless.

I was surprised to learn during the 1970s how corporations were seduced by government.

From ghetto, to farm, to the Corporate suite, they suck us in and buy us.

3 posted on 01/25/2012 9:22:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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“Single parenthood: Another aspect of marriage—the percentage of children born to unmarried women—showed just as great a divergence. Though politicians and media eminences are too frightened to say so, nonmarital births are problematic. On just about any measure of development you can think of, children who are born to unmarried women fare worse than the children of divorce and far worse than children raised in intact families. This unwelcome reality persists even after controlling for the income and education of the parents.”

Which is the main problem; it’s not the increase of the poor, it’s the increase of the underclass. It’s not poor people losing jobs and income, it’s an underclass that has never worked and an underclass that doens’t WANT to better themsleves and become part of a healthy society and a part of a healthy society that will welcome them if they get and keep a job, end up following the law, and participate actively in the community. They don’t want to, they want to be unhappy, they want to be miserable, they want to be alienated and they are striking out at a community that wants to welcome them as long as they contribute and end up not wrecking other people’s lives. I wish the author would pay attention to the difference.


4 posted on 01/25/2012 9:23:49 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: ansel12

Lincoln set the stage.


5 posted on 01/25/2012 9:25:41 PM PST by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: ansel12

In 1972 a church was established to turn it’s congregations away from anything white. Seems to have done a bang up job.


6 posted on 01/25/2012 9:26:27 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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Though politicians and media eminences are too frightened to say so, nonmarital births are problematic...what an understatement - they arre probably the biggest problem leading to poverty, crime, and a deteriorating culture today......
7 posted on 01/25/2012 9:27:51 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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A lot of the so called new upper class is dominated by the entertainment industry with the billions they make and while financially they are upper class, their attitudes are quite different. Their perspectives are different and because of some sense that it is all about luck, they treat the ‘lessers’ of society like dirt do it because they have to make very clear how different they are from normal people. The way people make their money is how they treat people if and when they become successful. Actors treat people like dirt usually and people like Gates and Forbes and Ford and Carnegie aren’t tyrants because they understand that it’s hard work and appreciate people who show the same traits.


8 posted on 01/25/2012 9:29:32 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: 3boysdad

That is definately one thing that I have to agree with. He didn’t realize taht while slaves were good, there were also the bad types that were also freed. If Lincoln had seen the reality of the system, then I am sure that he would have understood a lot more than he did when he started that war.


9 posted on 01/25/2012 9:31:14 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

If not for this very problem, our soceity wouldn’t be as badly (and quickly) deteriorating as it is now. We would also have a much less stressed welfare system.


10 posted on 01/25/2012 9:35:36 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: The people have spoken

I don’t think there’s any political correctness there. Logically it has to be factual that there is creativity, intelligence and ability across all communities in America, and not just in Belmont. Thus, limiting yourself to only Belmont, limits yourself.

If the author was shooting for something politically correct then he would have said something about race, or women or homosexuals. He made clear, however, that he was talking about whites in both Belmont and Fishtown. That’s not politically correct.


11 posted on 01/25/2012 9:37:45 PM PST by vladimir998
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Ping for later
12 posted on 01/25/2012 9:44:32 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: The people have spoken

I think that the reason so many of our leaders are useless rinos, is that successful people want to avoid, are the type to avoid, strife, disagreement, argument, they are the types that seek consensus to advance their small differences within polite limits.

Mostly that is just reality, many of the people here are in corporate life, offices, they know that there are certain limits to what that type of workplace will tolerate, can tolerate. Many blue collar workers, small business people, Contractors, became such, because they don’t fit in at the office, I admire people destined for great things, who strive to expose themselves to social and intellectual challenges.

It is interesting to see where Gingrich came from, Reagan came from, Palin came from.

While even the Bushes make an effort to fully give themselves to the military, and life, and even Texas, Romney does not for example, and regardless of the complaints, I think we all agree that the Bushes efforts probably help them.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 9:44:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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Feminism and the welfare state: A fatal combination for civilization

The Misandry Bubble

14 posted on 01/25/2012 9:45:56 PM PST by SlargTarg
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Yes, it’s definitely a different world today for those who remember growing up decades ago. For one thing, the TV wasn’t so full of smut and the kids could grow up more innocent.


15 posted on 01/25/2012 9:52:20 PM PST by Ciexyz
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His new book is due I think Jan 31.

He has done a fine job describing what we all feel.

He got too much attention on race in The Bell Curve - so intentionally omitted it - so people could get his message.


16 posted on 01/25/2012 9:54:50 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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For one thing, the TV wasn’t so full of smut and the kids could grow up more innocent.

That is a fact.

In the past we hid things from our parents, and as parents, we hid things from our kids

The reality is that we strove to not do wrong at all, but if, or when we slipped up, we tried to conceal it, bury it, and move on, always fighting our worse impulses, and fighting to reinforce good among others, and in turn, they tried to reinforce and encourage goodness in us.

The culture wall was broken down, and now it is the worship of money that drives us, if there is a short term, but profitable return on fart jokes, or homosexuality, or cussing on a TV show for a writer, or Producer, then they get the money and run, and God knows that it is much easier writing than that old stuff, which must have been extremely demanding in talent and skill to produce.

17 posted on 01/25/2012 10:10:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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> The economic value of brains in the marketplace will continue to increase no matter what, and the most successful of each generation will tend to marry each other no matter what. As a result, the most successful Americans will continue to trend toward consolidation and isolation as a class.

And then the Morlocks will eat them. Yum! Brains!

18 posted on 01/25/2012 10:15:57 PM PST by Flatus I. Maximus (This Tagline for rent. Make me an offer.)
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America outside the enclaves of the new upper class is still a wonderful place, filled with smart, interesting, entertaining people. If you're not part of that America, you've stripped yourself of much of what makes being American special.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was born and raised in Kensington, the Philadelphia neighborhood immediately to the north of Fishtown. My grandparents lived in Fishtown. In 1999, I worked in clinics at K&A and Hunting Park.

Only a flaming idiot would willing chose to live in any of the places that I mentioned above. I am glad, now, to be living more than 2,000 miles from those places. These neighborhoods are dangerous, course, rough, choked with debris, pockmarked with abandoned homes and buildings, and one must constantly be on guard and aware.

As many of you know I am constantly pushing for the end of compulsory godless and socialist-entitlement schooling. I doubt that our nation can survive another generation of it.

Conservatives, please see the urgency. We must shut down our nation's **godless*** soclialist-entitlement schools. We must see that every child in this nation has access to a **private** educational setting ( preferably not Prussian-style) that preaches Judeo Christian beliefs and upholds our nation's founding principles.

19 posted on 01/25/2012 10:20:55 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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I honestly think slavery was on the way out anyway. It was getting expensive to feed, clothe, and provide even a modicum of medical care for slaves, and if one died or got killed, the owner was out the investment.

OTOH, the new european immigrants would work cheap, do dangerous jobs, and if they got killed, just hire another. Sure, you paid them, but you either got that back through the company store, housing, etc., or they had to fend for their own sustenance using those wages.

The harsh reality was that the cheap immigrant labor was cheaper in the long run, especially when the downside of incorrigible slaves was factored in.

I think slavery would have died a natural death ere long, even without the war.

20 posted on 01/25/2012 10:56:35 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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