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To: mnehring
..in support of the proposition that the South should have won the Civil War. This sort of thing would ordinarily disqualify most normal people from endorsing Chuck Baldwin...

Unfortunately there is accepted wisdom on the Civil War, and it has become sacred. We lost 600,000 - 700,000 of our own people. Many others were maimed. War crimes were rampant. Cities and homes were destroyed. Lincoln violated the Constitution more than any other president. Young men were conscripted to fight against their will, the ultimate violation of freedom.

As far as I know, we were the only country to liberate slaves through war. We could have peacefully let the South go and then embargoed trade. Slavery was extremely inefficient and was collapsing under its own weight. It was already in its last days. (Read de Tocqueville's Democracy In America about how poorly slave states performed and why.)

If a state wants to leave the Union, no other state has the right to keep it in. This is the essence of federalism.

Few can see the Civil War for the atrocity it was. As Thomas Paine said "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour; a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason."

9 posted on 01/13/2012 7:42:14 PM PST by ElectronVolt
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To: ElectronVolt

Bingo. Confederate sympathies is no good reason to “disqualify” someone.

I’m glad you brought it up 1st.

As for the other hair-brains, yes, I agree - they’re all hair-brains. McKinney is indeed certifiable, and Nader has obviously been a certified liberal for ages - the original Safety NAZI.


19 posted on 01/13/2012 7:51:02 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: ElectronVolt; mnehring

I guess we can also use that reasoning to support Paul’s contention that the gassing of six million Jews plus several million other people was something we should not have interfered with as it was an internal state matter.


23 posted on 01/13/2012 7:57:05 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: ElectronVolt

” - - - As Thomas Paine said “Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour; a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.”

Thanks for bringing the above quote into the conversation. There are a lot of thought parts to his 3 sentence quote.

For example, with Presidential Candidates and their ideas that “are not YET sufficiently fashionable,” I think back to Barry Goldwater’s quote: “You can’t legislate Morality.”

He received a lot of cheap, verbal abuse for that statement back then, (yes I am that old), but today we are shocked that any non-lib would not accept his quote as inherently true.

The libs are still locked into their time warp where they still produce a “formidable outcry in defense of custom.” The custom of social engineering.

Each of our mighty 6-pack Republican has one or more ideas that are worth considering to become planks in the Republican Party Platform that is handed to the Nominee.

BTW, what if none of the 6-pack will be allowed by the GOP ? What if the Tampa GOP Convention chooses a Dark Horse as it’s Nominee? Wouldn’t it be a shame if all the best 6-pack ideas were rejected too?

Let us separate the best ideas from all the Candidates, and play to win with the best ideas, and the best people, just like in football.


52 posted on 01/13/2012 8:39:03 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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