Skolt Sami is 6 on this regional map of Sami languages.
Posted on 01/02/2012 6:33:58 AM PST by blam
So a Skoltelapper is one of the Skolte tongue?
“That simple datum implies the loss of so many amazing stories. Epic emigrations, epic conflicts, epic change.”
The Niebelungenlied, survived into modern times in only a few manuscripts, and most of those were fragments. Three were more or less intact.
The Skaldic Edda, Beowulf and the Secret History of the Mongols survived as single manuscripts. Beowulf was singed by fire - it was that close to destruction - and the Secret History was allegedly edited and altered to satisfy later Moslem sensibilities, and to suppress the raw vitality of the tribal Conquest period.
Earlier narratives of such significant and dynamic peoples as the Scythians and Sarmations are lost entirely, or survive as mere hints of the original tales: swords in the earth, sacred cups, etc.
Knowledge, culture and art are fragile things.
The Visigoths ended up there.
I answered to the best of my knowledge in post #6.
Halpogroup 'H' (female) and halpogroup R1b (male) are the two largest halpogroups in Europe...at 60+% each.
Recent studies show that R1b males have more boys than girls.
I don't know why I often spell and say haplogroup as halpogroup.
thanks for your reply. Fascinating. That the V females started out with R1b and ended up w/ I. fickle! wonder how that happened? And how would they have arrived in northern Finland during the Ice Age? I would think it would have been a solid ice cap. Unless like the Thule Inuit they were adapted to coastal ice hunting. And the clothing. I have seen a Greenland Inuit (Kallaluit)in a waterproof suit made of hundreds of strips of seal intestine (clear, waterproof) do a complete kayak roll in icy water. So I guess that’s possible. However the Saami/Finlanders of the present day were inland deer herders.
One could speculate forever.
This is interesting, but all so confusing. How is it that we are not descended from all who came before? Perhaps some more than others, depending on how many cousins and cousins once removed married each other.
Perhaps because you maintain an Alpo group?
Look at you.
No-one but you and I will understand that statement.
I think that term has something to do with menthol chewing tobacco.
Check out the earlier diagram. Also some family lines are thin, for example, a friend of mine has no siblings; he has no first cousins on his mom’s side (she had no siblings); his mother had no first cousins on her dad’s side (he had no siblings that survived). Meanwhile, parents who have three kids have a good shot at passing on all their chromosomes.
So, you are saying that my husband’s family has a better chance passing on all of their chromosomes than I do because I have no siblings?
I have several first cousin marriages in both my mother’s and my father’s families in the early to mid 1800s. Does that mean that I have a double (or triple) shot at their available chromosomes?
Hopefully my 11 grandchildren have a full contingent of chromosomes (and no extras, please) from somewhere! I see the curly blonde hair and blue eyes amongst them (from my Scandanaivian ancestors) but also my husband’s chocolate eyes and dark hair from his side (Italian). LOL
Isn’t it fun to guess what they will look like. I have two grandkids and one on the way. The two don’t look anything alike but both are from the same parents. The third could be dark haired or light haired; brown, green or blue eyed; big nosed to small up-turned nose; tall, average or short; heavy set or skinny. Only one looks like it is related to me so far.
from "Humans on many roads to Asia":
Huh? No, that’s not at all what I’m saying. When two people have a baby, the child has but half of the chromosomes of each parent (except in cases of Down’s Syndrome, Turner Syndrome, and some others). A parent with only one child will never pass on any more than half, and if a parent has no siblings, and had no aunts or uncles, a great deal of the genetic info just winds up vanishing.
As we have 23 chromosome pairs, we can’t pass down a quarter of each of our grandparents’ — the closest we can get is 11 of one, and 12 of the other, but that’s not necessarily going to happen. Having three children makes it very likely that both sides of each chromosome pair of each parent has made it to the next generation.
Oh pooh! I can’t figure this out unless I use legos!
Oh pooh! I can’t figure this out unless I use legos!
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I thought it was pretty funny...
That’s the exciting part of posting on a public forum, no?
Have a great one.
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