Posted on 12/23/2011 9:42:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Newt’s plan to fix the country seems to include an amnesty for illegal aliens.
As someone who writes daily about immigration, I don’t believe for a second that Newt Gingrich will secure the border. He personally destroyed the last real chance for immigration reform in 1995, supports amnesty in 2011, and voted for the 1986 IRCA amnesty in Congress.
Your likening his plan for folks who have been here for 25 years to securing the border is simply false reasoning. If you do write about this daily, then you are perhaps overly obsessed with this issue.
If you think border security cannot be agreed upon by folks who disagree around the edges on folks already here then you have warped perspective.
“Never underestmate a Billion dollar campaign fund and a corrupt Media, bent of controlling the public.
You are gravely mistaken. Obama will be harder to defeat this time around than he was in 2008. MUCH HARDER.”
I agree Obama will be tough to beat in 2012. The House and Senate Republicans seem intent to help Obama by failing to work as a unified opposition. Plus, the Republicans desperately need a strong media consultant to help them present the message. However, they first need to agree on the message.
A house divided against itself cannot stand. At this point in the game the Congressional Republicans appear to be divided and unable to stand on principle. Any Republican candidate running against Obama is going to need a unified party to have a chance of success. At this point in time, the party lacks both unity and strong Congressional leadership. Not a good place to begin the campaign season.
Daveinyork,
Any of the R candidates will be much better than soetoro/obama/soebarkah/bounel/shabazz/whateverhisnameis!
He/she won’t have those czars, won’t nurture the union thugs, won’t embolden the EPA, DHS etc agencies, won’t apologize to the enemies, won’t tax us to oblivion, won’t spend like a mad man/woman, won’t sue the states for enforcing immigration laws, won’t let Mexico sue our states......because they are all real Americans who love America. With a conservative Congress and a vigilant people, they will be steered in the right direction!
Conservative doesn’t usually equal Republican. The last time we had Republicans in control of the White House and the Congress, spending and regulations accelerated, giving the Dems a nice springboard. I have no reason to believe that the next one will do any better. Judging from the current crop of GOP in congress, I have no reason for optimism.
Thanks very much for the ping. Passing it on!
GO GINGRICH!
Not a Newt Fan at all. But if he is left against Romney I’ll support him. Still I might still be lukewarm on him. But I will not support Romney.
Merry Christmas, onyx!
“Folks who disagree around the edges.”
Newt Gingrich will be the third pro-amnesty Republican candidate in a row. Go ahead and support Newt. When he loses to Obama and takes other candidates with him, please revisit this post.
You are obsessed to the point that your vision is clouded. Obviously, you lump everybody who is against mass deportation - or who simply think mass deportations are NOT going to happen - into a pro amnesty stance. That is childish shallow analysis.
And to be technical, Newt has said that he doesn’t think “the American people will deport folks who’ve been here 25 years...” etc. And I think that he’s right on that, since most polls show something like 65% or more against mass deports. He never said he would stop it if the people changed their minds.
So for this reason and many others of what we call grown up reality - mass deports are not going to happen. Santorum from PA or Bachmann from Minnesota - two states with almost zero Mexican issues - can talk tough about how they’re going to swoop in and whisk all of them away - but that is stupid pandering from folks who really do not understand the problem from states with no common border and no way to comprehend what goes on in Arizona, Texas, California, etc.
And for the record, both Perry and Newt - who you childishly label pro amnesty - would support any state handling their immigration problems any way that state saw fit, including deportations. And they both know that sealing the border is job one, and nothing matters til that’s done. States rights plus strong border. Works for me.
(FTR, Alabama is learning a lesson the hard way on this, but that’s another side issue tangent for another day)
The illegal alien problem is not the fault of anyone in the GOP field. None of them caused it. It is 70 years of an open border plus supply and demand of jobs / workers that caused it. That they have some nuanced differences on this issue is not something that is critical.
And if you think this issue is going to decide the election - then you are not paying attention to far bigger realities.
(1) Immigration determines the nature of the electorate. Therefore, it determines the fate of every other issue. See California.
(2) Even the Obama administration has shown it is capable of “mass deportation.” Millions of illegal aliens have been expelled over the years.
(3) Newt Gingrich voted for the 1986 IRCA amnesty, scuttled the last real push for immigration reform in 1995, and he supports another mass amnesty for illegal aliens in 2011.
(4) Michele Bachmann supports the deportation of every illegal alien in the United States.
(5) What happened to California?
(6) The polls have consistently shown that immigration is considered the most important state issue in Texas and Arizona. In Texas, the public supports eliminating birthright citizenship for illegal aliens.
(7) Rick “Fed Up” Perry signed the Texas DREAM Act into law. At least Perry doesn’t support amnesty for illegal aliens. Newt is to the left of Perry on immigration.
(8) Did Newt secure the border as Speaker of the House? Did Perry secure the border as Governor of Texas?
(9) We don’t support amnesty for illegal aliens, period.
(10) Newt voted for the 1986 IRCA amnesty which encouraged the majority of the illegal aliens who now live here to break into this country. He also blocked strong immigration reform in 1995.
(11) The pitiful Republican leadership has absolutely everything to do with the presence of millions of illegal aliens in the United States.
(12) I live in Alabama. Unlike Newt, we don’t support amnesty for illegal aliens here.
(13) I do think the election will come down to a handful of swing states. These include Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina where illegal immigration matters a great deal to independent voters.
Here’s what I say: give Newt the Republican nomination and run on a platform of amnesty for illegal aliens, more free trade agreements, and foreign wars in the Middle East.
I will sit here and watch him sink like John McCain in 2008.
>> Here’s what I say: give Newt the Republican nomination and run on a platform of amnesty for illegal aliens, more free trade agreements, and foreign wars in the Middle East. >>
Well, you made a few valid points and then you jumped the shark. No one will run on a platform of amnesty. But go ahead and see hispanic boogey men behind every problem in what must be your pathetic unhappy life that is all ruined by hispanic dudes.
Second, now we’re a union loving trade protectionist are we? If you are against free trade, you are a union pawn. So you are not relevant nor conservative to me.
And the foreign wars in the middle east? So, a Paul tard?
Grow up and come back in 20 years.
(1) Newt Gingrich is running on an amnesty platform.
(2) What does “free trade” have to do with conservatism? “Free trade” is synonymous with classical liberal economics. It is a type of liberalism.
(3) This is the moment in history where Gen X and Millennial voters start to make it crystal clear to aging Baby Boomers that their days of starting neverending wars in the Middle East, which they expect us to fight and pay for, are rapidly coming to an end.
“Classical liberalism” is actually conservatism - the definition changed.
You need to go back to your bong and your correspondence course and your mama’s basement before you try the big leagues.
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