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What Ron Paul Thinks of America
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Posted on 12/23/2011 9:15:58 AM PST by mnehring

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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is a Confederate. His advisory chairman, Tom Woods co-founded the League of the South, a pro-confederacy website. Everything he believes goes back to the South’s Civil War ideals of governing. Their version of Limited government is a government not capable of being a superpower. As far as national defense, they want to abolish the FBI and CIA and end our military presence everywhere. These guys are true isolationist, so much that we could never intervene with foreign affairs. They would prefer a national economy over a global one, so expect new tariffs on businesses operating oversees. Looks like the Confederacy is still bitter about losing the Civil War and this is their chance to win, by having Ron Paul as their man. He is successfully marketing Libertarian mixed with family values of independent freedom to gain support from the youth, the evangelical and reformed Christians, and targeting the anti-war people as their advocate. He promotes appeasement, which always sells well emotionally to the masses. I give him credit he is winning a lot folks over to his cause mostly because they are not aware of who he really is, but some of us recognize his strategy and are not deceived.


21 posted on 12/23/2011 10:41:30 AM PST by joeshmoConservative
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To: Fee
... Out of good intentions ...

We ought to remember the saying about the road to hell and good intentions and take a good hard look at the results of neo-con foreign policy.

While my research thus far leads me to believe that Ron Paul is naive regarding the most basic motivation of Jihadis, consider the following:

GW kept reminding us that 'Islam is a religion of 'peace'. Never mentioned that Islam is a total political system and peace is achieved when there is a world wide caliphate under Sharia.

Ultimately Paul's foreign policy would be better for both Israel and Christianity.

While Israel would get no foreign aid, neither would its enemies:
2011 Interview

Newsmax: What should our relationship be with Israel?
Ron Paul:
We should be their friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy.
... Stop and consider America’s policy: We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.
... We should share intelligence for mutually agreed-upon goals. We should honor our pledge to refuse any arms sales that would undermine Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region.

As a result of nation building, promoting 'democracy' in the middle east, and PC immigration, not only are we flat broke but:

Iraq's Christians Near Extinction

Per Pamela Geller "US policy regarding the refugee resettlement program would shock most Americans if they only knew. The UN picks who becomes US refugees. Christians are being refused refugee status and face persecution and many times certain death for their religious beliefs under the sharia, while whole Muslim communities are entering the US by the tens of thousands per month despite the fact that they face no religious persecution"

FYI Paul would stop funding the UN.
22 posted on 12/23/2011 10:45:27 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: joeshmoConservative

Ron Paul is a Confederate. His advisory chairman, Tom Woods co-founded the League of the South, a pro-confederacy website. Everything he believes goes back to the South’s Civil War ideals of governing. Their version of Limited government is a government not capable of being a superpower. As far as national defense, they want to abolish the FBI and CIA and end our military presence everywhere. These guys are true isolationist, so much that we could never intervene with foreign affairs. They would prefer a national economy over a global one, so expect new tariffs on businesses operating oversees. Looks like the Confederacy is still bitter about losing the Civil War and this is their chance to win, by having Ron Paul as their man. He is successfully marketing Libertarian mixed with family values of independent freedom to gain support from the youth, the evangelical and reformed Christians, and targeting the anti-war people as their advocate. He promotes appeasement, which always sells well emotionally to the masses.

I’m sorry but is that supposed to be negative? If that is supposed to be an anti-Paul attack....I think I know why he is surging in Iowa. We have to do better than that.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 10:48:17 AM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: detective

There’s not a dimes worth of difference between the anti-American-it’s-our-fault line Paul is spreading and what Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky squawk. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the latter two come out supporting Paul. What would Paul’s supporters say then?


24 posted on 12/23/2011 10:52:15 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Grunthor
Jeez, I think the South had every right to secede. Any state has that right and always will. I had no Idea that that was a bad thing until I met a few misguided statist Freepers. They are mostly in the minority. This does not make me a Librarian.

Now I have to re look at Paul. Maybe he isn't so crazy.

25 posted on 12/23/2011 10:56:39 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Grunthor

“This does not make me a Librarian.” LOL. I meant to type Libertarian.


26 posted on 12/23/2011 10:58:51 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

“I had no Idea that that was a bad thing until I met a few misguided statist Freepers.”

I do not support Dr. Demento however it is funny how many statists out themselves when launching what they consider to be a scathing attack.


27 posted on 12/23/2011 10:59:50 AM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: central_va

hehehe...”Librarian” in this context means that you can read any book you want no matter what the government or anyone else thinks of you or it.


28 posted on 12/23/2011 11:01:10 AM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: Fee

IBTZ. troll


29 posted on 12/23/2011 11:06:15 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul is a lose cannon in every sense of the word. Not presidential material.
30 posted on 12/23/2011 11:06:45 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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Just imagine, Obama would be able to run to the right on him on foreign policy.
31 posted on 12/23/2011 11:18:46 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Mitt Romney, a piss poor choice)
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To: joeshmoConservative
Yes, many of Paul's positions are those of the neo-Confederates. But the neo-Confederates are not the same as the actual Confederates.

The actual Confederates were not pacifists or isolationists. The South did not participate in the "American First Movement" prior to WWII (in fact, Southerners of the time were Anglophilic and many volunteered for the British forces). Paul's isolationism comes from the German Midwest, not the Anglo-Celtic South.

The Confederacy was also anti-protectionist. It was the North and the Republican Party that supported protective tariffs. However, today's neo-Confederates are not so much Confederates as pre-WWII "old rightists," which means (unlike the Confederacy they claim to admire so much) they are both isolationist (in fact pacifiest--as non-Southern an ideology as you can find anywhere) and protectionist.

Finally, the Old South was not anti-Semitic. The neo-Confederates, again, follow the Midwestern "old right" in taking pot shots at Israel for no apparent reason other than to establish their anti-Semitic bona fides. They even attack Southern chrstians for supporting Israel.

Neo-Confederatism is a fraud. It is not Confederate. It is part of the international "old right" movement that supports local beliefs, local religions, and local "gxds" and regards the idea of a single G-d and a single true religion as "one world Communism."

32 posted on 12/23/2011 11:23:07 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: detective

9/11 had nothing to do with the American PEOPLE, nor does Dr. Paul ever so insinuate. However, the policies made and perpetuated by the American GOVERNMENT may well have been on the minds of the scumbags who planned and carried out the attacks. We are an infidel nation aligned with a Jewish nation, after all. That’s all the excuse these 7th century morons need. Which is pretty much all Dr. Paul has ever said. Our government’s policies coupled with the moose slime mentality.


33 posted on 12/23/2011 11:38:24 AM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I think the term Neo-Confederate was coined by William F Buckley back when he purged their type out of the National Review (which helped get them out of the Republican Party) back in the 60’s. You are right, they were a new breed of nasty folks. Most ended up going over to the Birch society or other fringe groups and parties.


34 posted on 12/23/2011 12:24:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Confederacy was also anti-protectionist. It was the North and the Republican Party that supported protective tariffs.

The Confederacy would have rapidly changed its tune on this issue had it won independence.

The CSA would have had its own "infant industries vital to national security" that needed protection against "unfair foreign competition." Despite the clauses in their Constitution forbidding it, they would have been forced to find a way to protect these industries.

Interestingly, the first and most aggressive promoter of protective tariffs was Henry Clay, a southerner and slave owner.

35 posted on 12/23/2011 12:37:00 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: detective

“Ron Paul makes one stupid statement after another yet there are people who are so stupid that they support him.”

When the Republican establishment promotes bumbling idiots to the head of the pack instead of principled conservatives, it invites Ron Paul types in, as the party’s limited government types feel they’re being left out by the party elite and have no one else to vote for. If such candidates were supported and promoted to the top, Paul likely would be ignored. We can thank the Republican establishment for allowing him to slip in.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 12:42:49 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The actual Confederates were not pacifists or isolationists.

Agree. If anything the Confederate Government was very open to foreigners, especially the press for obvious reasons. It was the Union that was a "closed shop". They came close top starting a war with Great Britain, with Lincoln's quip " One war at a time" becoming famous.

37 posted on 12/23/2011 12:43:29 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dcwusmc
“9/11 had nothing to do with the American PEOPLE, nor does Dr. Paul ever so insinuate. However, the policies made and perpetuated by the American GOVERNMENT”

The American government is elected by the American people. Ron Paul continually attacks both America and the American government.. The distinction you make to try to defend Ron Paul is dishonest. Ron Paul says America is to blame for the 9/11 attacks. He has continually attacked America and says America is at fault for the problems in the world. He has attacked Ronald Reagan and the our armed services. Trying to defend him by playing word games and trying to draw dubious distinctions is dishonest.

You mention those “7th Century morons” and “scumbags”. Ron Paul has repeatedly attacked Americans for being “anti-Muslim” for saying far less than you have said. As a matter of fact, if someone publicly used the very terms you used, Ron Paul would have a hissy fit and say they hate Muslims and are hate mongers etc.

38 posted on 12/23/2011 12:50:57 PM PST by detective
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The American government is elected by the American people.

No it's not detective.

The electoral process was compromised and undermined years ago, after your government decided to intentionally stand and watch as tens of millions of illegal aliens pour into our country. It's not only undermined our electoral process, but our health care industry, our schools, jails, stolen jobs, taken over entire industries, and choked off our hospitals and social services.

It's no different than the U.S. Government flooding the U.S. with trillions in counterfeit currency. Oh, wait, that happened too.

39 posted on 12/23/2011 1:11:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul Looney Tunes Pictures, Images and Photos
40 posted on 12/23/2011 1:38:19 PM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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