N. Korea: Kim Jong-il 'Collapsed Last Thursday'

Chosun Ilbo ^ | 12/23/11

[TigerLikesRooster]

Kim Jong-il 'Collapsed Last Thursday'

North Korean leader Kim Jong-il collapsed on Dec. 15, two days before North Korea says he died, according to intelligence the South Korean government has received from Japan. The collapse was grave enough for top North Korean officials to convene an emergency meeting, though whether he died then or later is not known.

Seoul apparently received the information from Japan after his death was announced at noon on Monday.

A source on Thursday said a Japanese official attended an international seminar in Pyongyang hosted by North Korea's Asia Pacific Peace Committee, and on the morning on Dec. 15, he met with the North's nominal No. 2 official Kim Yong-nam. Everything went as scheduled, but Won Tong-yon, the deputy director of the United Front Department and vice chairman of the Asia Pacific Peace Committee, arrived 40 minutes late to the dinner scheduled to start at 7 p.m., looking distressed and telling the guests that he had to attend an emergency meeting.

Won then went to Sunan Airport in Pyongyang on Friday morning to see off the guests, who were scheduled to board a 7:30 a.m. flight for Beijing. He was apparently enraged by the sight of a Christmas tree in the airport lobby and ordered airport officials to dismantle it, telling them, "This is no time to light this up."

"It appears that Kim Jong-il suffered a serious health problem on Thursday afternoon, prompting an emergency among the North’s top officials, but his condition improved a little, causing Won to come to the dinner late," the source said. "Maybe the reason he got angry at the airport on Friday morning was that Kim Jong-il had died."

That would square with an account by Liberty Forward Party lawmaker Park Sun-young, who claimed intelligence suggests that Kim did not die aboard his train on Saturday but around 1:30 a.m. on Friday at a villa around 40 km from his home in Pyongyang.

The summer villa has hospital facilities and is connected by underground tunnel to Kim's official residence, according to Park. Japan's Asahi TV reported that Kim died near the villa at around 1 a.m. on Saturday and asked his bodyguard for some water before he died.

[TigerLikesRooster]

There are still conflicting reports on the exact time of death. Now there is a consensus that he was dead before the official time of death 8:30 AM, Dec. 17. However, one source says it was 8PM, Dec. 16 and the other claims that it was 1 AM, Dec. 17.

[TigerLikesRooster]

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[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

There are still conflicting reports on the exact time of death. Now there is a consensus that he was dead before the official time of death 8:30 AM, Dec. 17. However, one source says it was 8PM, Dec. 16 and the other claims that it was 1 AM, Dec. 17.

Why is this important?

[TigerLikesRooster]

It may shed the light on the situation in which he died. For example, is there any foul play involved? Was the regime having firm grip of situation or showing some chaos?
You can reinterpret activities of NK gov. officials and announcement in light of the timing, and you can get some insight into how the NK regime is working currently.

[InvisibleChurch]

One reason is that it shows the poor intelligence the West has on NKorea. Plus it is helpful to know when a dictator dies so contingency plans can be made to deal with a mad general or other batty official who might want to do harm to other nations.

[Hoosier-Daddy]

Is there a Norwegian Blue involved.

[TSgt]

He corapsed rast Thursday?

[goldstategop]

Men tend to ignore the signs of a heart attack, which can disguise itself as minor aches and pains. The victim may not recognize what’s actually happening until its too late.

If you don’t feel good, go to the ER. If its really a medical emergency, timely intervention is critical and can make the difference between life and death.

[mkjessup]

Japan's Asahi TV reported that Kim died near the villa at around 1 a.m. on Saturday and asked his bodyguard for some water before he died.

He is probably still asking for water even now as the flames of Hell deliver eternal justice to their newest resident.

(Guess what Chia Pet? No more Hennessy cognac for you. Your people were starving and you order $650,000 worth of that booze for yourself, among other delicacies and luxuries, ya murderous little piece o' shit.)

[TigerLikesRooster]

Maybe he is asking for entire ice from Antarctica.:-)

[cavador]

I had an artificial valve fitted and suffered post surguery complications.(A perecardial effusion) and still had enough intuition to know something was seiously wrong a good hour before having a heart attack.All the indications were present.(Shortness of breath,crushing pressure in the chest and a very fast heart pulse.)This gave ample time for the ambulance to arrive with a defibrillator.
Once I got to the hospital I was fine.
Why would he ignore symptoms like these?

[mkjessup]

Maybe he is asking for entire ice from Antarctica.:-)

Even that would not be enough.

From our house to yours TLR (and AiT), a very Merry Christmas and a Happy 2012, you guys are awesome in how you leaped ahead of the lame institutional media here in the West on this story on the late Chia Pet, and the follow ups you continue to provide, makes us all proud that you're FReepers with us!

[kempster]

Fa Ra RaRaRa RaRaRa Ra!

[StAnDeliver]

"It was ........... the SALMON!"

[Malesherbes]

It is always interesting to learn the details when a cretin stands at the Gates of Hell. One account has it that Stalin lay dying and his attendants just stood back, doing nothing, afraid to touch him.

[SevenofNine]

Sound like the dude was having BIG time Stroke Tiger

[stboz]

Is he still dead?