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Power plant rules unveiled: Higher bills, cleaner air
MSNBC ^ | 12/21/11 | MSNBC staff

Posted on 12/21/2011 2:04:06 PM PST by traderrob6

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Wednesday unveiled rules for coal-fired power plants that mean costly investments passed on to consumers, but also health benefits.

Hundreds of older plants — which together make up the largest remaining source of unchecked toxic air pollution in the United States — will have to cut emissions or shut down.

"By cutting emissions that are linked to developmental disorders and respiratory illnesses like asthma, these standards represent a major victory for clean air and public health," Lisa Jackson, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, said in a statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: coal; coalplants; energy; epa; green; obama; obamanomics
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To: traderrob6

Maybe our Dear Leader wants this country to look like the recently deceased Dear Leader's country does at night.

21 posted on 12/21/2011 2:25:40 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: traderrob6

Who is Lisa Jackson? I don’t recall voting for her.
Why does this agency have unelected people - who have the capability of making determinations, that the people have no choice of either accepting, or rejecting?

Exactly, “Who” does this person answer too?


22 posted on 12/21/2011 2:26:04 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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This will effect Texas more than any other state.

Over 10% of the coal used to generate electrical power in the US is used in Texas, over 100 million tons per year.

Next in line is Indiana, Illinois and Ohio, each using a little more than half the amount used in Texas.

Following them is Pennsylvania and Montana, each using a bit less than half of the amount used in Texas.

http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/consumption_state.xls

23 posted on 12/21/2011 2:29:54 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: traderrob6

A-hole communist apparatchiks versus the producers. Versus the rest of us, the private sector. Our air is very clean today.

Our air is dirty= the big lie a la Goebbels


24 posted on 12/21/2011 2:32:24 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: Peter from Rutland
It will pay itself off in seven years

Are you confident you will get seven years out of the batteries and solar panels? How much degrading in performance of each happens by that time?

25 posted on 12/21/2011 2:32:56 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Peter from Rutland
Deep cycle batteries supply all the power used in EV, motive power or RE system applications. One full cycle represents a full battery recharge followed by a complete battery discharge (as specified by the OEM). Battery life is usually measured in cycles – but in practical terms, your batteries should work well for three years from the beginning date of service.

http://www.crownbattery.com/PDF/Safety.First._Deep%20Cycle%20Batteries.pdf


26 posted on 12/21/2011 2:42:19 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: traderrob6
This is just another part of Soros/Obama/Globalist plan to "de-industrialize" America.

"What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.... It’s just that it will bankrupt them."

27 posted on 12/21/2011 2:48:30 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Army Air Corps; WL-law; Berlin_Freeper; Horusra; Darnright; rdl6989; bamahead; Nervous Tick; ...
Thanx for the ping Army Air Corps !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

28 posted on 12/21/2011 3:06:28 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: thackney

No batteries, this is on grid. In the good months you sell the excess back to the power company and in the cold months you use that credit. It works out well from what I’m told.


29 posted on 12/21/2011 3:21:21 PM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: All

energy prices go up, more people will need assistance, government grows.


30 posted on 12/21/2011 3:29:51 PM PST by ak267
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To: traderrob6
MSNBC is KNOWINGLY LYING. Those very plants are the MOST regulated and have the MOST rigorous clean air emissions for the fuel they burn. They are LYING and they KNOW it but to hell with the truth as their world view of total communism MUST prevail.
31 posted on 12/21/2011 3:34:07 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: traderrob6
"By cutting emissions that are linked to developmental disorders and respiratory illnesses like asthma

Evidence?
And not from an EPA/enviro wacko, either.

32 posted on 12/21/2011 3:38:20 PM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: traderrob6
and America takes another one in the........


33 posted on 12/21/2011 3:49:04 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: traderrob6

When we run out of power and have blackouts in the summer, old people will die due to lack of a/c. Those will be real actually deaths as opposed to the health problems that will supposedly be cleared up by this regulation. 30,000 mostly elderly died in Europe when they had a heat wave and no a/c.

When someone has asbestosis, we know who they are, by name. I want the names of all the people this regulation is claiming to save. Specific individuals.


34 posted on 12/21/2011 3:50:17 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: Old North State

Yup. I remember that quote.


35 posted on 12/21/2011 3:55:50 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree, but it would have to be a blatant violation or nothing would ever get done.


36 posted on 12/21/2011 3:57:42 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: traderrob6

MSNBC defending the indefensible.

Thousands of jobs will be lost, and our idiot bamaboy claims he is awake night and day trying to save jobs.

Save jobs my ass, he is destroying a hundred jobs for every one he claims to be saving.

Give me a friggin break.


37 posted on 12/21/2011 4:50:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: traderrob6

While the reason to shut down these plants is to reduce mercury emissions, our homes will be filled with mercury filled CFL bulbs that pose a far greater threat to us as individuals and will clog hazardous waste sites.


38 posted on 12/21/2011 5:25:08 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Was Lisa Jackson separated at birth from Sheila Jackson Lee?

I've wondered the same thing.

39 posted on 12/21/2011 5:33:21 PM PST by SteamShovel (Smart Grid is Stupid)
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To: traderrob6

‘linked to’ a code word for ‘scientism’.


40 posted on 12/21/2011 6:16:21 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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